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So double the cores and more performance from AMD for only $5 more than the 2600k.
Yeah but its like the 1090T vs i5 750, the i5 will almost always be better in games due to very few actually taking use of more than 4 cores.
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Yeah but its like the 1090T vs i5 750, the i5 will almost always be better in games due to very few actually taking use of more than 4 cores.
AMD has a BIOS feature capable of disabling cores. So you can have your 4 core FX-8 beating your 2600k; in gaming!
    
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AMD has a BIOS feature capable of disabling cores. So you can have your 4 core FX-8 beating your 2600k; in gaming!
I can't see the logic behind that?
R11.5 is very heavily core dependent, I have 8 points in the multi-cored test with my CPU, but previous gen-i7's at stock are beating my score (barely, but nonetheless). Disabling 4 cores would just turn it into the FX-4 in a way.
But that's exactly what I want to see, how much better is the 6 and 8 core Bulldozer to the 4 core variant in gaming?
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I can't see the logic behind that?
R11.5 is very heavily core dependent, I have 8 points in the multi-cored test with my CPU, but previous gen-i7's at stock are beating my score (barely, but nonetheless). Disabling 4 cores would just turn it into the FX-4 in a way.
But that's exactly what I want to see, how much better is the 6 and 8 core Bulldozer to the 4 core variant in gaming?
I'm interested in this also.
    
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You don't know that BD is already behind because as you said, it's not even out yet.
I hear everyone on this thread saying that we don't know for sure that Bulldozer won't perform as well.

I know that, in my first post I said "I think" (not that "I know), and went on to state why, which is because AMD is 1-1.5 years behind right now on their processors. I don't see AMD leaping forward that far.

I understand you that you guys are saying its a new architecture, but even a new architecture might not make up that much ground. We'll just have to see I guess.

I want Bulldozer to beat Intel as bad as the rest of you, competition is great, but I'm just trying to be realistic about it's chances to beat Sandy Bridge.
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Amd will most likely make up in architecture with core count. It's been that way for a while.
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More competition is in the consumers favor, so I find it laughable that as a consumer one could genuinely hope that BD fails, as that would be the worse possible outcome for all of us.

It is in our interest that BD outperforms SB in dollar/performance.

Also, for all the arguments about whether BD competes with SB or SB-e or ivy, the key consideration would be both avaliability and price, how can we compare a 8core $320 BD to what possibly could be a $500+ SB-e, even when they are available at the same time window? Not to mention the comparative platform costs.

Personally, I have always bought what i believe to be best bang for buck whenever it comes time to upgrade, and I hope BD comes and really shakes up the market as it will soon be time to spend some money lol.
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I want Bulldozer to beat Intel as bad as the rest of you, competition is great, but I'm just trying to be realistic about it's chances to beat Sandy Bridge.
I really don't care about who beats who, personally. I just want a price war
    
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I hear everyone on this thread saying that we don't know for sure that Bulldozer won't perform as well.

I know that, in my first post I said "I think" (not that "I know), and went on to state why, which is because AMD is 1-1.5 years behind right now on their processors. I don't see AMD leaping forward that far.

I understand you that you guys are saying its a new architecture, but even a new architecture might not make up that much ground. We'll just have to see I guess.

I want Bulldozer to beat Intel as bad as the rest of you, competition is great, but I'm just trying to be realistic about it's chances to beat Sandy Bridge.
I think a lot of us who regularly follow AMD and use their CPUs are being realistic about what bulldozer will bring to the table. Even in this thread, I have seen more reasonable posts about bulldozer than "it's going to plow right through Sandy" type posts.

The tricky part is the "beat" does not have the same meaning for everybody. I am somewhat confident that when released that the 8 core bulldozer will the the fastest chip (slightly besting the the mighty 990x) when handling encoding, rendering, and other types of workloads that benefit from multiple cores. I am also fairly certain that Sandy Bridge will be able to get through a single threaded workload at least 5%-10% faster than bulldozer (making bulldozer equal to about Nehalem IPC).

It really depends on how you use your PC. Personally, I am a gamer. But do I really need the little boast in IPC that Sandy will likely bring? Most people agree that a i7 920 at 4GHz won't bottleneck a SLI/CFX system unless the games is very CPU limited or your frame rate is well into the 100s. Meaning that even if bulldozer doesn't "beat" but lags 10% behind Sandy in IPC there won't really be any difference in games.

With that said, however, I am sure that there are some people who must have the best single threaded performance available. Of course, there are others value more cores and overall processor throughput which is where AMD should shine.

The one thing I do know for 100% certainty is that even though it is impossible to determine... once released there will be a big argument about which company "won".
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I think a lot of us who regularly follow AMD and use their CPUs are being realistic about what bulldozer will bring to the table. Even in this thread, I have seen more reasonable posts about bulldozer than "it's going to plow right through Sandy" type posts.

The tricky part is the "beat" does not have the same meaning for everybody. I am somewhat confident that when released that the 8 core bulldozer will the the fastest chip (slightly besting the the mighty 990x) when handling encoding, rendering, and other types of workloads that benefit from multiple cores. I am also fairly certain that Sandy Bridge will be able to get through a single threaded workload at least 5%-10% faster than bulldozer (making bulldozer equal to about Nehalem IPC).

It really depends on how you use your PC. Personally, I am a gamer. But do I really need the little boast in IPC that Sandy will likely bring? Most people agree that a i7 920 at 4GHz won't bottleneck a SLI/CFX system unless the games is very CPU limited or your frame rate is well into the 100s. Meaning that even if bulldozer doesn't "beat" but lags 10% behind Sandy in IPC there won't really be any difference in games.

With that said, however, I am sure that there are some people who must have the best single threaded performance available. Of course, there are others value more cores and overall processor throughput which is where AMD should shine.

The one thing I do know for 100% certainty is that even though it is impossible to determine... once released there will be a big argument about which company "won".
Exactly how I feel, I just couldn't be bothered to write it all out
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