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I'd lol if Bulldozer performs worse than Sandy Bridge.
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I'd lol if Bulldozer performs worse than Sandy Bridge.
Part of me hopes this is going to be the case. As much as I want a price war, I also want to see the over zealous AMD fanboys eat dust.

I think a lot of the frustration is with these people and their constant insistence that Bulldozer is going to own Sandy Bridge, and Intel, and Intel fanboys.

It's like Bulldozer is the second coming of the AMD fanboy messiah who's going to make all their hard work and determination, "rooting for the underdog", over the last 5 years pay off with a chip that'll be exactly the same price as an Intel chip (which a lot of these people claim they buy the cheaper AMD's because "they do the job and are cheap") perform ~10-15% faster/slower and put AMD at the top.

Meanwhile, I don't see it happening. I think Intel posted profits last year that amount to the full total of AMD's deficit. They just don't have the R&D funds to compete with Intel on their level, anymore. And if Bulldozer DOES turn out to thrash Intel's chips, Intel will slash their prices to an insane level and out price AMD's chips.
    
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More competition is in the consumers favor, so I find it laughable that as a consumer one could genuinely hope that BD fails, as that would be the worse possible outcome for all of us.

It is in our interest that BD outperforms SB in dollar/performance.

Also, for all the arguments about whether BD competes with SB or SB-e or ivy, the key consideration would be both avaliability and price, how can we compare a 8core $320 BD to what possibly could be a $500+ SB-e, even when they are available at the same time window? Not to mention the comparative platform costs.

Personally, I have always bought what i believe to be best bang for buck whenever it comes time to upgrade, and I hope BD comes and really shakes up the market as it will soon be time to spend some money lol.
Well said. I have never understood these pro corporate arguments. Competition is good for the consumer and good for the product(s) itself, even if the makers of the product have to work a little harder.
    
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Im sure there will be different revisions of BD, and i don think the best ones will be out next month which is why ill wait til next year. I really dont care who wins. Im just excited to see how well BD will perform over the phenoms. So far AMD high-end chips are affordable compared to intel, i hope BD will be the same way.
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More competition is in the consumers favor, so I find it laughable that as a consumer one could genuinely hope that BD fails, as that would be the worse possible outcome for all of us.

It is in our interest that BD outperforms SB in dollar/performance.

Also, for all the arguments about whether BD competes with SB or SB-e or ivy, the key consideration would be both avaliability and price, how can we compare a 8core $320 BD to what possibly could be a $500+ SB-e, even when they are available at the same time window? Not to mention the comparative platform costs.

Personally, I have always bought what i believe to be best bang for buck whenever it comes time to upgrade, and I hope BD comes and really shakes up the market as it will soon be time to spend some money lol.
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I think a lot of us who regularly follow AMD and use their CPUs are being realistic about what bulldozer will bring to the table. Even in this thread, I have seen more reasonable posts about bulldozer than "it's going to plow right through Sandy" type posts.

The tricky part is the "beat" does not have the same meaning for everybody. I am somewhat confident that when released that the 8 core bulldozer will the the fastest chip (slightly besting the the mighty 990x) when handling encoding, rendering, and other types of workloads that benefit from multiple cores. I am also fairly certain that Sandy Bridge will be able to get through a single threaded workload at least 5%-10% faster than bulldozer (making bulldozer equal to about Nehalem IPC).

It really depends on how you use your PC. Personally, I am a gamer. But do I really need the little boast in IPC that Sandy will likely bring? Most people agree that a i7 920 at 4GHz won't bottleneck a SLI/CFX system unless the games is very CPU limited or your frame rate is well into the 100s. Meaning that even if bulldozer doesn't "beat" but lags 10% behind Sandy in IPC there won't really be any difference in games.

With that said, however, I am sure that there are some people who must have the best single threaded performance available. Of course, there are others value more cores and overall processor throughput which is where AMD should shine.

The one thing I do know for 100% certainty is that even though it is impossible to determine... once released there will be a big argument about which company "won".
+rep to you both.

No one from either camp should be wanting the other company to fail. If it wasn't for AMD spanking Intel 5 years ago? The core 2 Duo wouldn't have been born, which led to the Quad Core processors we have today. After AMD lost the crown, they were forced to innovate, and hopefully BD will bring more competition to the table.

If you prefer to buy Intel processors, GREAT. If BD delivers, it will force Intel to be more competitively priced. If BD wasn't being released this year, do you guys really think that the 2600K would be $300? I don't think so.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=142

It doesn't cost that much more to make a 980x processor vs say a 950. Not to mention the Sandy Bridge processors are even cheaper to make. Yet, because the 980x has been the best processor on the market, it is priced at $1000. If AMD had more competitive products, Intel wouldn't be able to get away with those prices.

Heck, if BD truly delivers and lives up to the hype, that means cheaper Ivy Bridge processors for all of us to choose from. Win-Win for us.

Now, here's the flip side of the coin for those of you who prefer AMD...

If it wasn't for Intel processors being better ( I use that word loosely to make a point ) your AMD processors wouldn't have been more affordable. AMD has been forced to go for the price / performance route, since their current line up hasn't been as good as Intel's. So, in a way, you can thank Intel for your lower prices. Surely, you remember how much the FX series chips were when AMD was on top?

No matter which side of the fence you're on, we should all be cheering for BD.

My 2nd rig has been on hold waiting for BD, as it will either be BD based or a 2600K, one way or another, BD is going to make an impact on the market. Here's to hoping BD lives up to the hype.
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+rep to you both.

No one from either camp should be wanting the other company to fail. If it wasn't for AMD spanking Intel 5 years ago? The core 2 Duo wouldn't have been born, which led to the Quad Core processors we have today. After AMD lost the crown, they were forced to innovate, and hopefully BD will bring more competition to the table.

If you prefer to buy Intel processors, GREAT. If BD delivers, it will force Intel to be more competitively priced. If BD wasn't being released this year, do you guys really think that the 2600K would be $300? I don't think so.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=142

It doesn't cost that much more to make a 980x processor vs say a 950. Not to mention the Sandy Bridge processors are even cheaper to make. Yet, because the 980x has been the best processor on the market, it is priced at $1000. If AMD had more competitive products, Intel wouldn't be able to get away with those prices.

Heck, if BD truly delivers and lives up to the hype, that means cheaper Ivy Bridge processors for all of us to choose from.

My 2nd rig has been on hold waiting for BD, 'cuz one way or another, it's going to make an impact on the market. Here's to hoping BD lives up to the hype.
Yes^ Hes right and even if BD is not as powerful-per-core, it wont matter as long as it gets close or AT Intel's current level i'm fine. Its hard to jump like 4 years. The pricing will be good, which may win many buyers over.
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+rep to you both.

No one from either camp should be wanting the other company to fail. If it wasn't for AMD spanking Intel 5 years ago? The core 2 Duo wouldn't have been born, which led to the Quad Core processors we have today. After AMD lost the crown, they were forced to innovate, and hopefully BD will bring more competition to the table.

If you prefer to buy Intel processors, GREAT. If BD delivers, it will force Intel to be more competitively priced. If BD wasn't being released this year, do you guys really think that the 2600K would be $300? I don't think so.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=142

It doesn't cost that much more to make a 980x processor vs say a 950. Not to mention the Sandy Bridge processors are even cheaper to make. Yet, because the 980x has been the best processor on the market, it is priced at $1000. If AMD had more competitive products, Intel wouldn't be able to get away with those prices.

Heck, if BD truly delivers and lives up to the hype, that means cheaper Ivy Bridge processors for all of us to choose from.

My 2nd rig has been on hold waiting for BD, 'cuz one way or another, it's going to make an impact on the market. Here's to hoping BD lives up to the hype.
Thats very well said! I may prefer Intel to AMD (for purely personal reasons) but who can argue with lower IB prices? Go BD!!
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It's amazing, people really can't wait until the release to pass judgement on Bulldozer.
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The wait is always the worst toward the end. Even though I'm not buying Bulldozer till 2012, I'm still frequenting this forum for news at least once a day.
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AMD = Price
Intel = Performance.

AMD got lucky once. I love AMD, but i dont think bulldozer will be able to outperform Sandy. Especially Ivy. You get what you pay for.
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