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That's still $100 more than you can get an 800D for, and you could argue it has less features (no hot-swap bay, no tool-free optical drives, etc).

But it doesn't really matter because they have a different business model than we do. They're basically a boutique custom build shop with a very specific series of cases, and they sell direct to consumer, so you have to buy from them directly, as far as I know.

Corsair sells primarily through retail and distribution. The tradeoff being that there's a double margin stack (we make our money selling to guys like Newegg and Fry's and Scan, they make their money selling to you) but you can buy it just about anywhere so it's more convenient and there are guys competing on price.

I'm guessing if CaseLabs had to sell their stuff retail to the same number of outlets we did, their cases would be a lot more expensive.

I do love their stuff though - one of these days I'll buy one for competitive analysis. Heh.
OK... but I don't understand why buying from Newegg is better if I can buy them direct for less? It's nice to walk in a store and see it up close, but I end up buying most things on line anyway because there aren't a lot of stores to buy this stuff anymore. What's the difference?

As you said. different business practices I guess
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OK... but I don't understand why buying from Newegg is better if I can buy them direct for less? It's nice to walk in a store and see it up close, but I end up buying most things on line anyway because there aren't a lot of stores to buy this stuff anymore. What's the difference?

As you said. different business practices I guess
It's just two different ways of looking at it. Shipping logistics, email blasts, etc, are all taken care of by the resellers.

There's only so big you can be if you only sell direct. And that's fine for a lot of companies. But Corsair was already huge and had those distribution channels when we got into the Case business.
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Thanks Corsair for speaking up. My views do contradict some of yours. I agree LL could do with 0.5-1mm extra aluminium thickness and better internal designs.

But i think for the $199-250 range of LL cases are acceptable enough to not vibrate or rattle ime.

I have issues with LL designs which often misses one or two spots but let look at A70FB, for $180 it is spacious, has tool free assembly, parts slide in/line up nicely, comes with tons of accessories, well built anodized exterior, washable dust filters, 2x120mm + 2x140mm fans, water-cooling grommets.

Or the V1020, a modern looking alu case for $229! Removable mobo tray, 4xUSB3.0, curve-cut frame, matching optical drive cover, 3x140mm fans, 1x120mm fans! Would be perfect if it split the hdd rack and comes with noise dampening foam, but typical LL, we have to wait for next year(s) revision! I cant say LL cheap out on this $229 all alu case can we?

LL have been improving their internals yearly (anodized interior, cable routing holes), it is just that they are slow and sell a range of cases where i like them to focus on a 2-3 models like what Corsair SS and Fractal (CSF) do.

If LL is all about mass delivery, CSF seems more in tune with enthusiasts designs and i dont think Alu material is dead expensive as i have shown, design problems dont cost as much too.

I expect you guys to do an all alu exterior range, no plastic bits. for $50 more? Right now imo profit margins from steel cases are very high (which is alright for any profit organisation selling niche cases) but i like to see everyone move to a more alu future(just like mobo with all solid caps, keyboard with mechanical switches)

Alu feels great and classy imo. Apple agrees.
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That's still $100 more than you can get an 800D for, and you could argue it has less features (no hot-swap bay, no tool-free optical drives, etc).

But it doesn't really matter because they have a different business model than we do. They're basically a boutique custom build shop with a very specific series of cases, and they sell direct to consumer, so you have to buy from them directly, as far as I know.

Corsair sells primarily through retail and distribution. The tradeoff being that there's a double margin stack (we make our money selling to guys like Newegg and Fry's and Scan, they make their money selling to you) but you can buy it just about anywhere so it's more convenient and there are guys competing on price.

I'm guessing if CaseLabs had to sell their stuff retail to the same number of outlets we did, their cases would be a lot more expensive.

I do love their stuff though - one of these days I'll buy one for competitive analysis. Heh.
I don't know about you but Little Devil cases are the same price as buying direct AND through online retail...
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Alu feels great and classy imo. Apple agrees.
Then buy an apple computer and be happy ?

Still tons of aluminum cases in the market but there is obviously going to be less of them made since it costs a lot more to design and build one then make one from steel.

Already thinking of getting a TJ11 for my next build but the case costs $600 + on most sites.
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Thanks Corsair for speaking up. My views do contradict some of yours. I agree LL could do with 0.5-1mm extra aluminium thickness and better internal designs.

But i think for the $199-250 range of LL cases are acceptable enough to not vibrate or rattle ime.

I have issues with LL designs which often misses one or two spots but let look at A70FB, for $180 it is spacious, has tool free assembly, parts slide in/line up nicely, comes with tons of accessories, well built anodized exterior, washable dust filters, 2x120mm + 2x140mm fans, water-cooling grommets.

Or the V1020, a modern looking alu case for $229! Removable mobo tray, 4xUSB3.0, curve-cut frame, matching optical drive cover, 3x140mm fans, 1x120mm fans! Would be perfect if it split the hdd rack and comes with noise dampening foam, but typical LL, we have to wait for next year(s) revision! I cant say LL cheap out on this $229 all alu case can we?

LL have been improving their internals yearly (anodized interior, cable routing holes), it is just that they are slow and sell a range of cases where i like them to focus on a 2-3 models like what Corsair SS and Fractal (CSF) do.

If LL is all about mass delivery, CSF seems more in tune with enthusiasts designs and i dont think Alu material is dead expensive as i have shown, design problems dont cost as much too.

I expect you guys to do an all alu exterior range, no plastic bits. for $50 more? Right now imo profit margins from steel cases are very high (which is alright for any profit organisation selling niche cases) but i like to see everyone move to a more alu future(just like mobo with all solid caps, keyboard with mechanical switches)

Alu feels great and classy imo. Apple agrees.
I believe that LL cases in any price range are good, their A05N which is below 100 is amazing and fits ATX full size. You can mod 2x 120mm fans on top for direct airflow to GPU. win win for CPU as GPU as they have their own airflow streams.

And as for the A70F/A71F, you do realize that you can mod 3x 120mm fans on top?

For the V series, its kinda like the premier case lineup from LL, IMO ALL the V series cases are amazing/innovative, I mean, just look at how popular the V1200 & V2000 were with consumers and modders.
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Because the A70F (which I'm assuming you're referring to) doesn't have the same features as other full-tower cases in its range.

It's a great case, but the inside is unpainted, it doesn't have USB 3, its cooling and cable routing options are limited, it's only got 7 PCI-E slots, etc.

If they made a Lancool variant of it in plastic and steel, it'd sell for $120-$130, tops.

But once you start adding larger fans, better dust filtration, radiator mounting options, an 8th expansion slot, full tool-free optical drives and hard drive bays, better cable routing with grommets, and paint the inside - you're adding cost.

It comes down to what you want - if all you want is the case to be made out of aluminum, then Lian-Li serves that market and they do a pretty good job of it. But if there are other features that you want that make building your system easier and better looking - then aluminum has to get sacrificed for feature set.

If we were to build an exact replica of the 800D using Aluminum everywhere we used steel, it would cost over $400. And who would buy that? Maybe 1/10th of the people who buy it now, if we were lucky.
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