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I am in the market for a nice digital camera.

So far, I have had my eye on the Canon T3i and Nikon D5100, as they are in my price range and have the features I want.
  • Flip out screen
  • 1080p @ 30fps (or 24 for 'film' shooting)
  • 15+ MP

Each has its own set of things that I think are nice:
  • (Nikon) Built-in HDR Shooting
  • (Canon) Built-in Lens Motor
  • (Canon) Magic Lantern Capability


I do a lot of web design (not as a full-time job) for different things and have found that my old Sony DSC-S85 isn't cutting it anymore. Also, I have a baby on the way and want to make sure I can take a lot of nice photos as she grows up.

It seems like the low entry-level cameras (T3/D3100) differ quite substantially from the mid entry-level cameras. I think a D7000 (and equiv. Canon) would just be too expensive for me and overkill on what I need.

I am currently leaning towards the Nikon as Snapsort.com has a pretty good breakdown of their features.

I am not opposed to buying refurb or even used if the device is in good condition. Also, I wouldn't be opposed to buying just the body and getting a lens from somewhere else but I think the kit lens is good enough for the shooting I will probably be doing.

Question: How much of an issue is it that the 5100 does't have a built-in lens motor?

Question: Is the custom firmware (Magic Lantern) actually of any use? Something I might miss on the Nikon?

Any other thoughts would be appreciated.
Edited by killnine - 5/21/11 at 8:06am
    
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Nikon's HDR preset isn't so much HDR as it is a photo style where the just turn up saturation. If you want true HDR, try exposure blending in post.

Q1: Not much. Many of Nikon's most used lenses are AF-S, including cheap telephotos like the 55-200 and primes like the 35 f/1.8. The only commonly sought after lens from Nikon I can think of without a motor is the 50mm f/1.8, and even then Nikon is already coming out with an AF-S version (And in my opinion, 35mm is much easier to work with than 50mm on a crop body).

Q2: Unfortunately this I would not know.

As for which camera, the two are honestly very similar in terms of capabilities. I'd honestly base your decision on which camera has better ergonomics more than anything.
Edited by r31ncarnat3d - 5/21/11 at 10:41am
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Yeah, stopped by best buy today to mess around with both of them.

They feel surprisingly similar. As far as button placement goes, I dont think either is better than the other because I don't have much to compare it to.

Sucks that Best Buy has to put so much anti-theft crap on the devices, it's hard to get a really good feel of weight and ergonomics with 2lbs of extra cables, plastic, and other crap dangling from the device.

I'm still leaning towards the Nikon but the video features on the Canon (and the fact that virtually everyone else I know shoots Canon) make it a tough decision. Ill definitely be doing more photography than videography with this device, though, and the dpreview seemed to give the D5100 kit lens a better result than the Canon.
    
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Get a T2i. Magic lantern is the best, Nikon video sucks.
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Yeah, stopped by best buy today to mess around with both of them.

They feel surprisingly similar. As far as button placement goes, I dont think either is better than the other because I don't have much to compare it to.

Sucks that Best Buy has to put so much anti-theft crap on the devices, it's hard to get a really good feel of weight and ergonomics with 2lbs of extra cables, plastic, and other crap dangling from the device.

I'm still leaning towards the Nikon but the video features on the Canon (and the fact that virtually everyone else I know shoots Canon) make it a tough decision. Ill definitely be doing more photography than videography with this device, though, and the dpreview seemed to give the D5100 kit lens a better result than the Canon.
See if there's a pro camera shop in your area. Such a place won't have their cameras tethered to a shelf and they will also have working demos, not to mention any lens/body combo you might want to try. My pro shop here will let anyone put their own CF card in a camera and snap a few shots, try out video, etc., plus they'll be able to answer your questions.

It's a tough choice deciding which company to start with. They're both top notch companies for DSLR's and it's no fluke that between the two, they possess 87% of the market share (last I checked). Initially I was dead set on Nikon since my father used Nikon film SLRs, but I found a hell of a deal on a Canon XTi at a CompUSA closeout annd the rest is history.
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post #6 of 35
Go with the T2i. The only thing that the T3i has over the T2 is a button layout and a flip screen. Internally, they're virtually identical.
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If the d5100's video is anything like the d3100's, you will hear the lens auto-focusing constantly if you dont have enough background noise just an fyi
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If the d5100's video is anything like the d3100's, you will hear the lens auto-focusing constantly if you dont have enough background noise just an fyi
One thing you quickly learn shooting video with a DSLR is that auto focus is too slow to bother and manual focus is much better, so the noise becomes a non-issue. Otherwise, use a USM/SWM/HSM lens and the noise isn't noticeable.

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Yeah, stopped by best buy today to mess around with both of them.

They feel surprisingly similar. As far as button placement goes, I dont think either is better than the other because I don't have much to compare it to.

Sucks that Best Buy has to put so much anti-theft crap on the devices, it's hard to get a really good feel of weight and ergonomics with 2lbs of extra cables, plastic, and other crap dangling from the device.

I'm still leaning towards the Nikon but the video features on the Canon (and the fact that virtually everyone else I know shoots Canon) make it a tough decision. Ill definitely be doing more photography than videography with this device, though, and the dpreview seemed to give the D5100 kit lens a better result than the Canon.



The big advantage the Nikon 18-55 has over Canon is the SWM motor, which is much faster and more silent than the AF micro motor in the Canon 18-55. IQ wise, they're virtually the same.
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Gone I take it you haven't used the Nikon 18-55? Its loud and slow as hell.
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Gone I take it you haven't used the Nikon 18-55? Its loud and slow as hell.
I have actually, but I don't recall it being as loud as the Canon version. Even the build quality is way better. When the Canon 18-55 auto focuses, it sounds like someone is unzipping a zipper.
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