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MC was selling the 950 for $200 well before SB, its not the norm. Just like you can get a i5-2500k for $180 there, sadly we don't (edit: all) have access to one so newegg is the best place to reference prices.
Edited by BallaTheFeared - 5/22/11 at 12:55pm
    
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More value, less performance.
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I never said it was not a way to compare. I just said that it wasn't a way to compare architectural differences. Learn to read and to do less quote mining.

And your statement regarding each user and what not is just... *sigh*
The Phenom II X4 955 will be overall faster than the Core i3 2100, especially since you can over-clock.
Don't you mean only if?

isn't i3 2100 better overall in stock vs stock? (I don't plan to OC anytime soon).
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It is a market thing. Most average computer user. Think more cores and more Ghz is better.
That's because it's true, at least the first part. Software is starting the trend to use 4 cores now but most still aim to perform well for the majority that are still on dual cores. As for the GigaHertz thing, that was settled by AMD almost a decade ago. And since when did AMD have the most "average computer users"? I'm pretty sure Intel has the market share lead over AMD.

Also @Balla, don't assume US pricing is same as Europe/rest of the world. Here for example, a 955 Phenom is cheaper than the cheapest Sandy Bridge i3. I sure as hell would've considered the i3 if it WAS overclockable (I bet it would hit 6GHz+ without this limit crap in place and kill the Phenom in anything single/dual threaded had this been the case) but since it isn't, it's useless and this is why people go with a Phenom. While I agree with you that they're shooting themselves in the foot with some of their stupid CPU prices (their 500 series Phenoms, their high-clocked Thubans and low end Athlons are no longer good bang-for-buck since their quad Phenoms dropped in price, and since Intel got some decent 775 budget chips now) at least their quad cores are still competitively priced, hopefully until Bulldozer, which should make it drop even further in price.
    
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technology moves fast and price will drop reguarding if its amd or intel. thanks to competition...we have price drop. thats the most important key. without each of them...you'll be paying 500 dollars for your sandy bridge 2500k. price drop for amd is due to its new bulldozer releasing. i've seen alot of price drops for intels when the sandy bridge was first release. intel i7 950 priced at 300 bucks was moved down from 189 for microcenter. its business. things drop in price. its part of the cycle to bring new technologies out. like phone, laptop, and tv. i dont see all this arguement valid unless you work for intel and amd and their marketing strategy. seems like how they priced their product seems to work because they're still in business.
IDK.. I don't think MicroCenter's such a good reference.. Not unless there's 3-5 brick stores in every state.

IIRC you only get sweet cpu deals via in store promos. Then again, ID if it will work price matching it to the nearest stores available to us.. Hmm..
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Hmm.. Well thinking about INTEL again.. I just noticed that i7 950 can just be had for 200-260 usd.. but was 500+ on release.. xD

But why didn't the i7 7xx receive any significant drops?
I feel like it might be Intel's way of keeping technology marching forwards.

If an i7 975x chip was $1,000 at release 2 years ago and remains $1,000 now...would you ever buy it over a 990x or even a 2600k?

It probably makes it way easier on them because anyone thinking about buying ANY chip from Intel is going to be buying something extremely new. I bet it makes their support easier and shortens their adoption cycle drastically.
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Hmm.. Well thinking about INTEL again.. I just noticed that i7 950 can just be had for 200-260 usd.. but was 500+ on release.. xD

But why didn't the i7 7xx receive any significant drops?
Not really $200 for the i7-950. Such low pricing is probably just Micro Center and not Intel 1Ku.

Intel never drops its prices. When Core 2 Duo was released, the Pentium 4's and D's were still selling for the same (higher) price even when they were severely outclassed. That's just the way Intel does business. They have pre-set price points for certain product ranges. They don't really drop prices. They just phase out an old product and have processors with higher binning take its place.

For example:
  • Q9x50 -> i7-920 -> i7-930 -> i7-950 (~$290) low high-end
  • Q9x50 -> i7-860 -> i7-870 -> i7-2600K (~$290) high mid-range
  • Q9x00 -> i5-750 -> i5-760 -> i5-2500 (~$200) mid-range (highly doubt Intel actually planned on releasing the i5-750, they just needed something to compete with Deneb so they were forced to introduce a Lynnfield for $200)
  • E8400 -> i5-650 -> i5-2300 / E8500 -> i5-660 -> i5-2400 / E8600 -> i5-680 mid-range (thank goodness there's no equivalent to the E8600 now)
  • E7x00 -> i3-530 -> i3-540 -> i3-550 -> i3-2100 (~$120) low mid-range

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Not really $200 for the i7-950. Such low pricing is probably just Micro Center and not Intel 1Ku.

Intel never drops its prices. When Core 2 Duo was released, the Pentium 4's and D's were still selling for the same (higher) price even when they were severely outclassed. That's just the way Intel does business. They have pre-set price points for certain product ranges. They don't really drop prices. They just phase out an old product and have processors with higher binning take its place.

For example:
  • Q9x50 -> i7-920 -> i7-930 -> i7-950 (~$290) low high-end
  • Q9x50 -> i7-860 -> i7-870 -> i7-2600K (~$290) high mid-range
  • Q9x00 -> i5-750 -> i5-760 -> i5-2500 (~$200) mid-range (highly doubt Intel actually planned on releasing the i5-750, they just needed something to compete with Deneb so they were forced to introduce a Lynnfield for $200)
  • E8400 -> i5-650 -> i5-2300 / E8500 -> i5-660 -> i5-2400 / E8600 -> i5-680 mid-range (thank goodness there's no equivalent to the E8600 now)
  • E7x00 -> i3-530 -> i3-540 -> i3-550 -> i3-2100 (~$120) low mid-range
While AMD keeps the older line up right? You have 955, 965, 970, 975, 980.. all available today almost everywhere.. priced "consistently".. 120-180+?

I wonder.. by the time the next SB line up comes around (higher binned 2500ks, etc).. if they'd lower 2500k prices..
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