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I think it's pointless to debate which major is harder than the others, they all play to different strengths. Some people can breeze through math and science but when you give them, say Shakespeare they don't know what to do.
Because they're trained to solve practical problems.
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Easy fixes:

Ditch the "gen ed" crap. I learned NOTHING new in all of my gen ed classes. They were a massive waste of time. I had already learned all that crap in the last 12 years in school.

Ditch the crappy tenure teachers. Student ratings are usually quite accurate on professors. If they aren't doing a good job, then they should be fired. Plain and simple. In my Circuits II class, the test averages hovered around 20 (out of 60). Consistently. That's not a problem with the students. That's a problem with the professor.
This is definitely different at my school. I attend a Research I institution. Teaching is far behind research as a priority for professors. The administration doesn't really care how students rate professors as long as the professors are producing, i.e. publishing good books and articles. A lot of students don't realize this sort of thing.
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I still don't get what all the Calc whining is all about. I got Calc I/II/III done in high school. Calc III was semi-turrible, but Calc I/II? I didn't even study that much.
I finished Calc 1 and 2 in high school. Still had to take Pre-Calc (my worse math class for some reason) Freshman year. Why? Because I went to another state and they decided that my ACT (it was only a 27/28 though overall) wasn't good enough.

The funny thing is the years that I worried about classes and doing well in them were the years I did the worst regardless of course material.

The amount of material that a person has to know verbatim in these fields is rather ridiculous considering how the real world operates them.

I don't think this article covers the real problem with the US university system which is the requirement of pointless GE courses. Why would an engineering student have to take an art class? I wish I could get my money back from that.
     
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I finished Calc 1 and 2 in high school. Still had to take Pre-Calc (my worse math class for some reason) Freshman year. Why? Because I went to another state and they decided that my ACT (it was only a 27/28 though overall) wasn't good enough.

The funny thing is the years that I worried about classes and doing well in them were the years I did the worst regardless of course material.

The amount of material that a person has to know verbatim in these fields is rather ridiculous considering how the real world operates them.

I don't think this article covers the real problem with the US university system which is the requirement of pointless GE courses. Why would an engineering student have to take an art class? I wish I could get my money back from that.
They didn't have a calculus readiness exam? Seems a bit odd.
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www.ratemyprofessor.com.

Pretty flipping darn accurate on the quality of professors. Don't get me wrong, the responsibility of studying lies with the students. However, the professor is there to teach. If not, then what's the point of having professors?
I was speaking of student/teacher evals. Where 95% of students never fill out an eval with any kind of interested opinion...and the other 5% usually have a personal grudge.

Most students these days want coddled and babysat. And if you meaningfully challenge them-they scream in their evals about the prof being unrealistic.
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I'm going to have to blame the students as much as prof's. I am finishing freshman year of CpE and really, most people do not want to do the work. There are kids changing majors after what I thought was a really easy computer logic class. I didnt study for the class and ended up with an A, I know of at least 4 people who are changing their majors because of that class.
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We could play "who had the hardest assignment" all day. AGAIN, Biology requires a talented mind, and if you think I'm only referring to the technicality of an engineering student's workload, you simply don't get it. Engineering school isn't about hard problems. Anyone capable of being an engineer can break down and solve any problem you throw at him/her. Engineering school, however, is 4+ years of psychological torture.
No I get it. I finished engineering school. Engineering is rigorous. I just do not want to be the guy to marginalize other science fields.

Most of my professors in my science classes seemed to barely want to be there. We were just wasting their precious time from all the research they were required to do for the university.
Edited by Riou - 5/22/11 at 11:34am
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If you love your job, you'll never work a day in your life. The happiness that comes from doing what you love everyday is worth more than anything the extra money from another field could buy you. If you could find a teaching job and live off the salary, I say go for it. However, if the interest levels in two fields are real close, the more lucrative one is the best choice imo.
So true......... and that's exactly why I'm going to choose to major either in Computer Science or in Electrical Engineering....because I love physics/computer science/maths/related stuff

I'll be graduating high school next year and I have truly made up mind about what I'll take at university.About a couple of years ago, my mind was fully fixed on LAW as my major: mainly because I felt I should continue the "legacy" (since my grandfather was a lawyer and my father is a lawyer)
and that it would pay.
Then I realised that it's not about the pay or other people's views on what is good and what is not, but instead on what I want to do and I love and I feel comfortable working with.

However, you guys do scare me when you say that most people do not end up with a degree in their desired major and some end up without a degree at all.

I wish I don't have to go through these things.
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Most of my professors in my science classes seemed to barely wanted to be there. We were just wasting their precious time from all the research they were required to do for the university.
It depends on the institution and the department who made the professors appointment.

My advisor for example, his contract is 60/30/10.

60% of his time is for teaching activities
30% of his tome for research/scholarly activity
10% of his time is for service

Now for a 40hr, 5 day a week job (which his really is not). That means that 24hrs is teaching, 12hrs doing research activity, and 4 hours a weeks doing service. Finding teaching work to do to meet those rough quotas is easy. Finding service activities is easy to overbook yourself with... finding time to do meaningful research can be quite hard.

All three areas need attention and progress made to gain promotion in rank and pay.
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So true......... and that's exactly why I'm going to choose to major either in Computer Science or in Electrical Engineering....because I love physics/computer science/maths/related stuff

I'll be graduating high school next year and I have truly made up mind about what I'll take at university.About a couple of years ago, my mind was fully fixed on LAW as my major: mainly because I felt I should continue the "legacy" (since my grandfather was a lawyer and my father is a lawyer)
and that it would pay.
Then I realised that it's not about the pay or other people's views on what is good and what is not, but instead on what I want to do and I love and I feel comfortable working with.

However, you guys do scare me when you say that most people do not end up with a degree in their desired major and some end up without a degree at all.

I wish I won't have to go through these things.

If you like science,and put effort to it,you will see great benefits, and you will enjoy it ,besides that you accomplish a mayor role in the society.
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