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Depends on the science, though I believe social sciences are extremely easy. If you go about them with the same logic needed to do Computer Science or any math based major in science. I got an A- in intro to sociology, it's easy as pie.
Easy as pie and only an A- in an intro sociology course? lol.
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Easy as pie and only an A- in an intro sociology course? lol.
Yeah, but I also read up and study social sciences a lot. I love reading on human experimentation, we are the ultimate animal. I don't believe that we influence things nearly as much as things influence us.

[edit] Most people really don't get the new day sociology. If you actually read my posts you'll notice that I'm huge into sociology. I'm very big on symbolic interaction with an influence in Institutions. I don't believe in the other branch, it's dumb and shouldn't even be explained. In fact if you use symbolic interaction you can explain Institutions which brings us back to life being structured off symbols and logic. I used all of that to do the entire class, the only things I had to memorize were definitions.

That's how it should be, you learn the equation and definition you should be able to apply it universally by just imputing the variables. The scientific method covers everything in science, it's where all this comes from.

[edit2] Didn't feel like a re-post as this isn't something I should be proud of. But how many people go to class high and/or miss the majority of the classes and get an A-? I generally enjoy Psychology/Social sciences. I believe its something as a society we should be involved with and aware of. More people should understand the influence the world has on them so that we can better ourselves and others.
Edited by mushroomboy - 5/22/11 at 2:08pm
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I am just about to graduate, and I can say that those who blame the teachers at University, are the ones who fail. Why? Because University is not about being spoon fed like at school. It's about solidifying a positive attitude towards your studies and finding internal motivation to graduate. In life, you must stand on your own feet. The days of being spoon fed are over. Take some responsibility for your own learning.
Well excuse me. I used to spend 16+ hours per assignment on calculus every week while attending classes, quizs, etc. His notes were completely incomprehensible, did not following the proper notation used in the engineering professions, and would also grade on "how he felt" about what the student deserved if we made a minor calculation mistake. He then spent 75% of the year explaining to us the fundamentals of calculus that had absolutely nothing to do with what we were being taught or graded on.

Fill in the blacks with backwards English and incorrect terminology and tell me I'm being spoon fed.

80% of students are like that, I'd give you that. But the 20% don't have to be treated like the personalities of 80% of the students.
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80% of students are like that, I'd give you that. But the 20% don't have to be treated like the personalities of 80% of the students.
Yes they do in effect. Because the professor can very much be held hostage in their teaching by student-professor evals.
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I am about to graduate cum laude with a degree in History and a minor in English.....

yet I still respect Science and Math guys more, they work harder but end up becoming cynical from the years of having insane course loads. I had to work hard at certain times in my undergrad, but it wasn't an everyday thing like it is for them.

The sad thing in all this is that even the Science/Math guys are going to sweat for a job in this modern economy.

My good friend has a degree in Biology yet he couldn't find a job anywhere except working for Logan's Roadhouse... as a server

my brother just graduated with a Business degree yet he can't even get a job at FedEx throwing boxes on a truck.
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Yeah, but I also read up and study social sciences a lot. I love reading on human experimentation, we are the ultimate animal. I don't believe that we influence things nearly as much as things influence us.

[edit] Most people really don't get the new day sociology. If you actually read my posts you'll notice that I'm huge into sociology. I'm very big on symbolic interaction with an influence in Institutions. I don't believe in the other branch, it's dumb and shouldn't even be explained. In fact if you use symbolic interaction you can explain Institutions which brings us back to life being structured off symbols and logic. I used all of that to do the entire class, the only things I had to memorize were definitions.

That's how it should be, you learn the equation and definition you should be able to apply it universally by just imputing the variables. The scientific method covers everything in science, it's where all this comes from.
Same here mate. Though in high school i chose maths, physics and chemistry but failed due to the difficulty. They also required good grades for uni, something beyond my abilities. After a brief study at an art school i ended up studying sociology abroad.

Social sciences are interesting but most of sociology graduates i met, ended up doing something differend eg working in education rather than pursuing an academic career. Even so sociology is not that popular.
Well in physics you learn quickly all the known theories. In sociology you have to go into detail for every theory. It is not accumulative like science.

Uni professors need certainly teaching seminars by education professors, just like normal teachers know about pedagogy and education.

What matters most is not a degree but how you manage to cope with daily difficulties, be active and help each other.
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http://www.hulu.com/watch/219252/ted...on#s-p22-sr-i0

The idea of GPA as a reward isn't the problem. It's telling the students that they have to learn "the candle problem" and if they do they get a higher grade. It doesn't work, the entire system doesn't work. In fact the idea of grades is a sham and a few places are starting to hire people based off other things. If you go into web design your better off having a nice portfolio of your own work than you are with grades. I've seen too many programmers hired because they are recruited, they are good.

It's the other problem with engineering jobs, the kids don't get the experience and don't get the job. They spend the entire college career doing the work, using mnemonic devices to learn. They should be getting experience in the field, doing extra activities outside of school that not only gives them the experience but helps them in the same way homework would.
Like your standard work-study internship? One of the reasons I went to my school was to get their internships which are given out like candy. My school is a more 'work-study' focused school than your average academics school due to their partnerships with local businesses. Next year I am going to be a Junior, and with my 12 credit hour schedule, I can apply for up to 20 hours of internship that I am essentially guaranteed to get. Not only will I be getting paid, but also getting field experience that will be invaluable when I graduate. Not to mention, if I keep my internship at a certain company for the next four semesters and next summer, I can be assured an entry level position at that company.

Feels good man.
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80% failure rate? Trigonometry was probably the easiest math class I'd taken since pre-algebra freshmen year of high school, and it was easier than College Algebra in my opinion. Your classmates are in for a ride when they hit Calc 2 and 3.
This - Calculus II is ridiculous... thankfully calc 3 is not a requirement in my uni.
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Like your standard work-study internship? One of the reasons I went to my school was to get their internships which are given out like candy. My school is a more 'work-study' focused school than your average academics school due to their partnerships with local businesses. Next year I am going to be a Junior, and with my 12 credit hour schedule, I can apply for up to 20 hours of internship that I am essentially guaranteed to get. Not only will I be getting paid, but also getting field experience that will be invaluable when I graduate. Not to mention, if I keep my internship at a certain company for the next four semesters and next summer, I can be assured an entry level position at that company.

Feels good man.
That is an AMAZING thing that a lot of people don't do. Or even just doing freelance work without pay, basically be a volunteer. You can do it any way you want but having experience that is similar to the work you are going to do beats grades every time. Given that you had good results, aka you aren't a crappy worker. Yes, that is exactly what I'm talking about. There are a lot of places out on the internet to do this.... Programmers? FOSS!!! Engineers?

This is an engineer/programming site that would give you TONS of experience:
http://hackaday.com/

That is a community you can help out with that does real life work, hands on engineering of any type.
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I'm still one whole year before I start my Computer Engineering major, except for the fact that I need to take some extra pre-requisite classes like physics and chemistry, I also need to find where I want to live later on. Except if you work with software, all the other positions are also geo-graphically based. In my city, which is by any means not a small one, I only have 3-4 companies that I can work for... That's worrying me!
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