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I am about to graduate cum laude with a degree in History and a minor in English.....

yet I still respect Science and Math guys more, they work harder but end up becoming cynical from the years of having insane course loads. I had to work hard at certain times in my undergrad, but it wasn't an everyday thing like it is for them.

The sad thing in all this is that even the Science/Math guys are going to sweat for a job in this modern economy.

My good friend has a degree in Biology yet he couldn't find a job anywhere except working for Logan's Roadhouse... as a server

my brother just graduated with a Business degree yet he can't even get a job at FedEx throwing boxes on a truck.
Seems like they demand a college degree to do just about any job these days. Eventually I imagine the US will have it where a graduate degree will be required just to work at McDonald's. The whole education system (like any system in the US) is archaic and no longer functioning properly because it fails to change and progress.

I spent most of my time as an engineering student doing GE classes that prevented me from focusing on engineering courses. By the time I finally was able to take courses like Physics that I had done in high school and the upper division classes I had forgotten most of the relevant material because I had spent all my time on the damn GE classes. I wish I had gone to a school focused on engineering. I can say that a general university even if it was "ranked highly" on engineering is not a place to go.
     
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In all honesty I don't blame those who decide to back out of those fields. The schooling system in the U.S. is pretty ridiculous (in my opinion) and is getting only worse. Every several years the school boards add more required courses and I feel this is why so many people end up dropping out of their studies. Many of the classes (I'd say well more than 25% of the courses required) taken for ANY field of study are hilariously useless towards that particular field of work. Why are they required? Just because; because that's the way they want it and that's the way it'll be. Ummm... wow, really? I have to sit through Biology and Chemistry for a Computer Information Systems degree? Niiiiice. It's awesome to know that the ~$300-$500 I spend on each class (which we either pay or live poorly without a higher degree) supports their scheme.

Another factor that contributes to this are the horrible salaries our teachers make, and not only that, the piss-poor teachers that are somehow being hired. Teachers are quite an important role in our world, and they are paid horribly for their job. My sister (an elementary teacher) has a Master's degree and she just barely breaks $30,000 annually. Raise the pay, raise the quality requirement bar, and you won't need to worry about an uneducated future that lacks professionals in certain fields. My Chemistry teacher was at LEAST 90 years old. Are you kidding me? The guy can barely carry his textbook, let alone have the memory and voice to teach a 50 student college Chemistry class.
I've always felt this way about education in general as well (for the US). It feels good to know that I'm not the only one who thinks this.
 
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It's the other problem with engineering jobs, the kids don't get the experience and don't get the job. They spend the entire college career doing the work, using mnemonic devices to learn. They should be getting experience in the field, doing extra activities outside of school that not only gives them the experience but helps them in the same way homework would.
Nearly all universities up here have coop programs. Heck, even colleges.
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Nearly all universities up here have coop programs. Heck, even colleges.
Yeah, we aren't in a lucky state. =P Though even with this, there are a lot of people who don't get any experience. Ask any Wallmart hiring center and ask them how many people they get who are just out of college? It's a scary number. A lot of that is the lack of motivation to find a job and the lack of experience.
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That is an AMAZING thing that a lot of people don't do. Or even just doing freelance work without pay, basically be a volunteer. You can do it any way you want but having experience that is similar to the work you are going to do beats grades every time. Given that you had good results, aka you aren't a crappy worker. Yes, that is exactly what I'm talking about. There are a lot of places out on the internet to do this.... Programmers? FOSS!!! Engineers?

This is an engineer/programming site that would give you TONS of experience:
http://hackaday.com/

That is a community you can help out with that does real life work, hands on engineering of any type.
It really is. Even if I can't get a job at the firm I am interning at, I will look much nicer than other graduates on my resume. Of course, I couldn't do as many hours interning as I do if it wasn't for the college work I did whilst in high school and summer of my graduating year. I managed to get 30 credit hours before even stepping inside college. Now I only have to do 12-13 credit hours each semester. Coupling my internship and scholarship, I will be graduating with zero debt and, hopefully, a job in hand. ~60K at age 23?

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Product Design Engineering (MEng) at Loughborough University, now on our course and most of the engineering courses we have a DIS year. This is were you take one year out of study and do the same job as a graduate for a year.

During this year you learn tons about being a "real" engineer that you just don't pick up on at Uni. After this year i got offered a job and sponsorship for my last two years. I'm also pretty confident I could get on most graduate schemes as I am confident, show excellent engineering knowledge and skills through my work at Triumph motorcycles and my final year project.

Engineering is a hard degree, but you get your moneys worth. It's not like the "olgy's" that get taught 3 hour a week then have no use for their knowledge but teach their "useless" knowledge to others.

Saying all that I wish I realised I had the grades to do theoretical physics.
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It really is. Even if I can't get a job at the firm I am interning at, I will look much nicer than other graduates on my resume. Of course, I couldn't do as many hours interning as I do if it wasn't for the college work I did whilst in high school and summer of my graduating year. I managed to get 30 credit hours before even stepping inside college. Now I only have to do 12-13 credit hours each semester. Coupling my internship and scholarship, I will be graduating with zero debt and, hopefully, a job in hand. ~60K at age 23?

For some reason I want to punch you in the face and shake your hand at the same time.

Hope things work for you. I wasn't one of the 36%. But I'm definitely not going English.
     
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personally the only things thats ever annoyed me about this kind of subject matter is how many friends i have whose parents are chemical, electrical, or mechanical engineers and how they say that they don't use anything they learned in college in their work or field
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Our public school system is partly at fault.

There isn't a focus on these topics or anything to promote interest really. If my school had programming or robot classes i'd be balls deep in that.

Oh yea good luck to the kid who thinks he's going to make ~60K at 23 y/o right out of college. Unemployed 30+ year old with a decade of experience are going to be fighting for the same jobs and taking pay cuts just to feed their kids. I'll be seeing you in around 6 months in my Army unit

Having a masters in the new bacehlors, a 4 year degree (especially with the amount of online schools and other bogus instutions) means nothing these days if you want a real competitive job.
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personally the only things thats ever annoyed me about this kind of subject matter is how many friends i have whose parents are chemical, electrical, or mechanical engineers and how they say that they don't use anything they learned in college in their work or field
The way one of my engineering teachers put it is that it's not so much that the schools are trying to teach us/future engineers how to use calculus and physics, but more that they're teaching us how to think analytically.

Now, if you're referring to all the general education stuff like history and arts that we're forced to take, then yeah, I'll never use that crap. I'm sure there's good intentions behind the idea that we should know our history, but it's a waste of time and (our) money.
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