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Originally Posted by dlee7283 View Post
I am about to graduate cum laude with a degree in History and a minor in English.....

yet I still respect Science and Math guys more, they work harder but end up becoming cynical from the years of having insane course loads. I had to work hard at certain times in my undergrad, but it wasn't an everyday thing like it is for them.

The sad thing in all this is that even the Science/Math guys are going to sweat for a job in this modern economy.

My good friend has a degree in Biology yet he couldn't find a job anywhere except working for Logan's Roadhouse... as a server

my brother just graduated with a Business degree yet he can't even get a job at FedEx throwing boxes on a truck.
It depends where you are looking for jobs though.....

Most English majors won't be making more than $80K by the time they are 30..... many STEM can.
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Because in the sciences, you generally need get to your third year of classes before you start doing anything related to your field, and then realize it isn't what they want to do for the rest of their lives.
Sorry, but that's just not true at all. No more than any other subject anyway

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Because in sciences, you have 3 3 hour labs on top of your 15 hours of class, and each lab has about the same amount of homework and preparation required as your normal classwork. So 8 classes a semester vs. 5.
It's still a 130 hr degree. Labs add a little bit more work, but that is not a reason for the higher drop out rate.

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Because in sciences, you can't argue an answer on a test or in a worksheet like you can in English. The teachers are too stuck-up and brilliant to see any other answer than a perfectly regurgitated answer from his notes, you lose marks for format of your answer even if all the right answers are there.
You can't argue an answer because it is either right or wrong. It has nothing to do with being too 'stuck-up brilliant to see any other answer'. I guarantee there's virtually zero teachers like this.

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Because in sciences, you are competing with all the medical school, dentistry school, veterinary and graduate hopefuls who all want to do better than you. If you go in to the sciences, you generally start with one of those things in mind, and when you aren't as smart as everyone else (someone is always smarter) being the smartest kid in your high school no longer matters and its soul-crushing.
If you went in thinking you were the smartest, you deserve to have your soul crushed. I had a student who, straight out of high school qualified for the 1st engineering calculus class so he was pretty smart. He made a C on the first test and was actually mad at ME because he made a C. He flat told me "i don't make C's". I said 'then you better work harder'.

He thought he was brilliant and didn't need to work and he needed to realize he was going to work or he wouldn't make it.

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Sciences have giant classes usually, not 30 person open discussion classes. Have fun having your question getting answered in a class of 200 questions.
You don't see classes this size beyond freshmen/sophomore level. Anybody who can't get a question answered can go by during office hours to talk to the professor, that's what they are for.

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Sciences are harder, but not for the academic reasons.
Yeah, they are harder. They require more work, more time, and are more complex. It's not an accident that this is happening.

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You are comparing Apples and Oranges. I know plenty of people who are math/science majors and are struggling to write an essay (it's a requirement to graduate at my university to take at least one class that has a written component). Most of them end up repeating those classes.

At the same time, there were plenty of Arts majors who took some second year stats classes with me and struggled a lot although it wasn't even a 'real' math course. People have different talents and to say one is more difficult than the other is not fair. Unless you talk about a degree in recreation (yes my university actually offers that and those are the people I usually laugh at, esp when they talk about how tough it is...)

...every single Arts major at my university requires a maxed out course load, 5 courses per semester. I don't know what the deal with music is, but to say that "Most people get music" is far from true. Have an engineer major in music and vice versa and see what the result will be.
They may be apples and oranges, but liberal arts, arts, business, etc classes are easier than your computer science, math, physics, engineering, chemistry type classes. Again, your science/math degrees are the highest paying and yet have the fewest graduates....it's not an accident, they are by far the hardest degrees to get.
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As a sophomore about to be a junior in high school, this thread is both horrifying and exciting at the same time.
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Our public school system is partly at fault.

There isn't a focus on these topics or anything to promote interest really. If my school had programming or robot classes i'd be balls deep in that.

Oh yea good luck to the kid who thinks he's going to make ~60K at 23 y/o right out of college. Unemployed 30+ year old with a decade of experience are going to be fighting for the same jobs and taking pay cuts just to feed their kids. I'll be seeing you in around 6 months in my Army unit

Having a masters in the new bacehlors, a 4 year degree (especially with the amount of online schools and other bogus instutions) means nothing these days if you want a real competitive job.
This is a good point. There really are not many opportunities to be exposed to technology / robotics / engineering in the public school systems.

I also agree about the 60K a year job out of college. Most graduates today are lucky to get an entry level job in their field, let alone 60k right out of the gate.

A big issue for people considering engineering as a career is job security. China and India are starting to churn out engineers that actually know their stuff. A lot of people are predicting that in time most of the product engineering going on in the US will be outsourced. Just look at what has happened to manufacturing in the US. Why pay an American engineer to design a product when an engineer in China can do the same job for 1/4 the cost?


Right now I am pursuing an AS degree in the Comp Sci field. The networking side to be exact. I still have my doubts about what my true calling is. It is sort of off putting to think that your entire career doesn't really amount to much in the scheme of things.
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As a sophomore about to be a junior in high school, this thread is both horrifying and exciting at the same time.
Keep your head up and just go through it. It takes dedication, but the rewards are very strong
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As a sophomore about to be a junior in high school, this thread is both horrifying and exciting at the same time.
You'll be fine in College, Though I'll be honest... When I was your age (I'm 19), I was having the dreams of doing Comp Sci or Math/Econ, I kinda lost it and was like... I'm sick of math, not that it's hard, it just gets repetitive. Also for Comp Sci, man dude, I don't know if I want to sit in a chair all day in front of a computer programming or related, I mean it's the background that many of us may have that are on this site, but I'm not too compelled to do it for the rest of my life.

So right now, I have the thought of doing Criminal Justice, since I am already in the USMC Officer's program and having some connections out there . Who knows, I might have a change of thought again as I enter the 2nd year of college.

From many people, I heard they say to get a Degree in something you like, or something easy because "Overall a degree is a degree", then get whatever job you want from there by building up the resume. I'm still skeptical of that.

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This is a good point. There really are not many opportunities to be exposed to technology / robotics / engineering in the public school systems.

I also agree about the 60K a year job out of college. Most graduates today are lucky to get an entry level job in their field, let alone 60k right out of the gate.

A big issue for people considering engineering as a career is job security. China and India are starting to churn out engineers that actually know their stuff. A lot of people are predicting that in time most of the product engineering going on in the US will be outsourced. Just look at what has happened to manufacturing in the US. Why pay an American engineer to design a product when an engineer in China can do the same job for 1/4 the cost?


Right now I am pursuing an AS degree in the Comp Sci field. The networking side to be exact. I still have my doubts about what my true calling is. It is sort of off putting to think that your entire career doesn't really amount to much in the scheme of things.
True that, I'm still lost in what I want to do myself.
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Computer Engineering Freshman here. I live in the "Engineering Hall" at the dorms where everyone started off engineers. I know at least a quarter are switching majors out of engineering, 5 got sub 1.0 GPA's and a few dropped out already.

Within my major, there were 10 of us starting off, and theres only me and one other person who is on track to graduate within 4 years.

But yeah, I'm not entirely sure I'll be able to handle 18 units a quarter until I graduate. Might have to take some classes over the summer. Engineering has an insane amount of units needed compared to some of the social sciences. I have 64 lower div units and 84 upper units just for my Major requirements, excluding gen eds, while something like ethnic studies needs like 40 units combined lower and upper lol.
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Computer Engineering Freshman here. I live in the "Engineering Hall" at the dorms where everyone started off engineers. I know at least a quarter are switching majors out of engineering, 5 got sub 1.0 GPA's and a few dropped out already.

Within my major, there were 10 of us starting off, and theres only me and one other person who is on track to graduate within 4 years.

But yeah, I'm not entirely sure I'll be able to handle 18 units a quarter until I graduate. Might have to take some classes over the summer. Engineering has an insane amount of units needed compared to some of the social sciences. I have 64 lower div units and 84 upper units just for my Major requirements, excluding gen eds, while something like ethnic studies needs like 40 units combined lower and upper lol.
No thanks! Good luck though!
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They may be apples and oranges, but liberal arts, arts, business, etc classes are easier than your computer science, math, physics, engineering, chemistry type classes. Again, your science/math degrees are the highest paying and yet have the fewest graduates....it's not an accident, they are by far the hardest degrees to get.
I'm not quite sure on what planet you live, but here on earth, the highest paid jobs are not really science related.

And again, most science majors would do badly outside their fields, just like any non-science major would do badly outside their respective fields. Saying that science/math degrees are 'by far the hardest degrees to get' is simply not true and you have absolutely no evidence to back it up because it is completely subjective.

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A big issue for people considering engineering as a career is job security. China and India are starting to churn out engineers that actually know their stuff. A lot of people are predicting that in time most of the product engineering going on in the US will be outsourced. Just look at what has happened to manufacturing in the US. Why pay an American engineer to design a product when an engineer in China can do the same job for 1/4 the cost?
I actually watched a news video the other day how a Canadian manufacturing company left to China almost a decade ago and now returned. They reported it's simply cheaper to produce here rather than there, because of rising inflation in China and more people demanding higher wages now. So maybe not all hope is lost
Edited by Squirrel - 5/22/11 at 6:00pm
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I go to an all engineering school. Its not bad. But its not good either. Again the tenured professors are the ones that should get the boot. Whats funny is that I have a high MCAT score but im still in engineering....
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