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I'm not quite sure on what planet you live, but here on earth, the highest paid jobs are not really science related.

And again, most science majors would do badly outside their fields, just like any non-science major would do badly outside their respective fields. Saying that science/math degrees are 'by far the hardest degrees to get' is simply not true and you have absolutely no evidence to back it up because it is completely subjective.
The top paying jobs in the US by degree are Math/Science related.

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

http://www.walletpop.com/2010/05/10/...ollege-majors/

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29408064/High...s_2010?slide=1

The very first 3 links from a quick search.

Seriously, do you enjoy just making stuff up?

Also, as far as evidence...how about this article? How about every single college and university that has similar numbers to the one in this article?

Do you think it's an accident that a 12,000 student college has 7 math graduates and a few hundred in liberal arts graduates? You think that's an accident? That's what it was when I graduated. Also, there were 6 Computer Science majors as well, yet computer science has 200 or so freshmen declare it as their major, yet they quit because they can't hack it. Then they go major in business/liberal arts because....wait for it...it's FRIGGIN EASY.

How anybody can honestly say that Math/Science degrees are on equal level with something like liberal arts is beyond me.

No evidence my ass. Every single non math/science class I took was an absolute joke compared to my math classes.

And, you wanna talk about statements that can't be backed up...

"And again, most science majors would do badly outside their fields"
Edited by mudman091878 - 5/22/11 at 7:00pm
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The top paying jobs in the US by degree are Math/Science related.

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

http://www.walletpop.com/2010/05/10/...ollege-majors/

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29408064/High...s_2010?slide=1

The very first 3 links from a quick search.

Seriously, do you enjoy just making stuff up?

Also, as far as evidence...how about this article? How about every single college and university that has similar numbers to the one in this article?

Do you think it's an accident that a 12,000 student college has 7 math graduates and a few hundred in liberal arts graduates? You think that's an accident? That's what it was when I graduated. Also, there were 6 Computer Science majors as well, yet computer science has 200 or so freshmen declare it as their major, yet they quit because they can't hack it. Then they go major in business/liberal arts because....wait for it...it's FRIGGIN EASY.

How anybody can honestly say that Math/Science degrees are on equal level with something like liberal arts is beyond me.

No evidence my ass. Every single non math/science class I took was an absolute joke compared to my math classes.

And, you wanna talk about statements that can't be backed up...

"And again, most science majors would do badly outside their fields"
These are not science / tech based jobs . . . http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2011/...pay/index.html


IMO difficulty is all relevant. Some people are great at math, some are great at science, others are great at english or history. If a person is great at math, but a horrible writer they will find english class harder then their math class.
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Our public school system is partly at fault.

There isn't a focus on these topics or anything to promote interest really. If my school had programming or robot classes i'd be balls deep in that.
It is a philosophy problem.

In the US we are strongly against trade schooling and have been for a very long time historically. We want our kids to have smatterings of knowledge across a dozen subject areas. Not be programmed to be specialized workers...and that is what we get.

The other problem with more specialty coursework is that it costs (lots of) money most schools don't have.
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http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2011/...pay/index.html


IMO difficulty is all relevant. Some people are great at math, some are great at science, others are great at english or history. If a person is great at math, but a horrible writer they will find english class harder then their math class.
Speaking of difficulty with English (not aiming at you BTW ), here's a Salon article that has been making the mailing list rounds in academia for a bit now:

http://www.salon.com/life/feature/20...school_english
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*random information*
The wealthy elite does not consist of science graduates. That's a fact, if you wish, go ahead and google it.

And you've gotta be kidding me with your links, did you even read them?
Paralegal Studies/Law$35,100$51,300

There are majors outside of science that are just as difficult as math/engineering/science in general. Like it or not. You likely took the easiest intro classes as GPA boosters and are basing your opinion based on them. As someone who took polisci, geology, stats and physics classes, I can say that all of them were equally challenging, but they all demanded a different set of skills. Hell, I can say that I took a computer science class and attended the first two classes and ended up with an A+. Why? Because it was a complete breeze of an intro class. Would I succeed at higher level courses? Probably not because I wouldn't have the same dedication as in my own field.

And sorry, but 7 math grads in a 12k college? lawl. Okay. You are taking one department and you compare it to an entire faculty? I'll stop here, otherwise this will just get more and more embarrassing for you.
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I'm not quite sure on what planet you live, but here on earth, the highest paid jobs are not really science related.

And again, most science majors would do badly outside their fields, just like any non-science major would do badly outside their respective fields. Saying that science/math degrees are 'by far the hardest degrees to get' is simply not true and you have absolutely no evidence to back it up because it is completely subjective.
What are you talking about? Most of the highest paying jobs are science/math related. With the exception of law, what careers are you thinking about?

That is quite a generalization about science majors. Don't forget that math and science is the basis of many majors.

STEM degrees do tend to be the hardest majors.... go on a campus and ask around.



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The wealthy elite does not consist of science graduates. That's a fact, if you wish, go ahead and google it.
The wealthy elite tend to inherit money... unless they are self-made.
Edited by DuckieHo - 5/22/11 at 7:15pm
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I'm not quite sure on what planet you live, but here on earth, the highest paid jobs are not really science related.
You mean like the handful of people who make it as athletes, musicians, wallstreet entrepreneurs etc? This is hardly statically significant.

Meanwhile, the 300 million other Americans are working real jobs where a bachelors degree in a science field grabs you a 100k+ job by the time you are 30 so you can watch 99% of the people you know go back to grad school and get in huge debt to struggle to even find a job at all, let alone one that pays nearly as well.
    
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The wealthy elite does not consist of science graduates. That's a fact, if you wish, go ahead and google it.

And you've gotta be kidding me with your links, did you even read them?
Paralegal Studies/Law$35,100$51,300

There are majors outside of science that are just as difficult as math/engineering/science in general. Like it or not. You likely took the easiest intro classes as GPA boosters and are basing your opinion based on them. As someone who took polisci, geology, stats and physics classes, I can say that all of them were equally challenging, but they all demanded a different set of skills. Hell, I can say that I took a computer science class and attended the first two classes and ended up with an A+. Why? Because it was a complete breeze of an intro class. Would I succeed at higher level courses? Probably not because I wouldn't have the same dedication as in my own field.

And sorry, but 7 math grads in a 12k college? lawl. Okay. You are taking one department and you compare it to an entire faculty? I'll stop here, otherwise this will just get more and more embarrassing for you.
The wealthy elite? That's your evidence? Your evidence is the top .1% of the population? That is NOT how you look at these things. On AVERAGE, the highest paying degrees are Math/science related...it is a FACT. The lists that come out every single year say the exact same thing.

The top .1% means absolutely NOTHING in this argument.

You've posted NOTHING to back up what you're saying. Everything I've said is backed up with FACTS.

You continue to live in your fantasy world, I'll go by what I see every single day I go to work.
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The wealthy elite? That's your evidence? Your evidence is the top .1% of the population? That is NOT how you look at these things. On AVERAGE, the highest paying degrees are Math/science related...it is a FACT. The lists that come out every single year say the exact same thing.

The top .1% means absolutely NOTHING in this argument.

You've posted NOTHING to back up what you're saying. Everything I've said is backed up with FACTS.

You continue to live in your fantasy world, I'll go by what I see every single day I go to work.

Don't bother... he does not believe in science or math. Statistics are meaningless!



Squirrel.... If you don't mind me asking, how old are you and what do you do for a living?

What non-STEM careers (other than law) gets you $80K with relative ease by the time you are 30?
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These are not science / tech based jobs . . . http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2011/...pay/index.html


IMO difficulty is all relevant. Some people are great at math, some are great at science, others are great at english or history. If a person is great at math, but a horrible writer they will find english class harder then their math class.
Worthless list...20 people? That's your evidence?

This is not a discussion about 20 people, it's about thousands upon thousands of college graduates and for those thousands upon thousands, math/science degrees pay the most...it's fact, the lists and studies are done/released every single year and every single year they say the same thing.

I suck at english/history and yet I still think they are a complete joke compared to a difficult math class. There's no challenge whatsoever, there's nothing that could be described as complex.

Again, proof is in the numbers.

If everything is even, then why isn't it even close when it comes to college graduates and their majors?
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