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Originally Posted by Lex Luger View Post

Public teachers dont make much starting out, but in US the benefits for teachers are insane. Massages and viagra, retire at 55. I know a man who is a millionaire teacher. He taught phy ed class and got paids alot extra cause he had PHD in phy ed. Nope, nothing wrong with making 120,000 a year being phy ed teacher PLUS the ultimate benefits package. Go to a parking lot in a school. Look at the teachers cars. Show me one teacher driving a beater. You wont find it.
You don't have a flying clue what you are talking about.

-Do you know what the normal wage is for even long-term teachers?
-Do you know how high the burnout rate is for teachers entering the profession?
-Do you know how much crap they have to put up with from anyone and everyone who knows nothing about teaching?
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post #192 of 341
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Originally Posted by Squirrel View Post
Politicians, lawyers, entrepreneurs etc. The list goes on.
and it's a VERY small list comparitively

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Maybe that's your problem, you live in your own little world at work where you are the king of the hill. You have not backed up anything with facts, you merely provided some biased numbers suited to your agenda.
Yes, my job, as a college professor, doesn't give me an ounce of insight into this discussion.

Really, every single list you can find of highest paying undergrad degrees is full of math/science fields...how am I not supporting my argument with facts? Also, how on earth is what I'm posting biased? One of the links was from cnbc....I highly doubt they are biased in FAVOR of math/science.

You've yet to post a SINGLE article, link, etc as a rebuttal to what I'm saying.

I only posted the very first 3 links that came up to prove a point...and that point was that they all say the exact same thing.
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post #193 of 341
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The way one of my engineering teachers put it is that it's not so much that the schools are trying to teach us/future engineers how to use calculus and physics, but more that they're teaching us how to think analytically.

Now, if you're referring to all the general education stuff like history and arts that we're forced to take, then yeah, I'll never use that crap. I'm sure there's good intentions behind the idea that we should know our history, but it's a waste of time and (our) money.
Engineering is mostly about using mathematical and physical properties to make good approximations and guesses on how things will perform or behave. I took history of science and loved the first one. The second one my teacher asked us to read a original writing by aristotle and an original writing by Newton and FORCED us to come to a conclusion about it. I read both of them twice and couldn't reach his conclusion.
Once I got over the geometry hurdle and the calculus hurdle I was teaching myself from then on out. So then it becomes a hold your tongue struggle with every professor. I tell a joke in rigid body mechanics class and then next class he looks for me to tell another joke and I'm not there. And you don't want to say to them. You don't teach me anything. NOTHING. You don't relate anything to the real world. You don't relate it to my other classes. YOU'RE USELESS.
I'm helping a pre med out in physics and he's getting frustrated because he doesn't have other things to tie it in with. And get's all down on himself and I'm like look. I study these things 3 different ways and 3 different classes so I can approach it from a expert methodology. You don't. I studied chemistry but you're taking organic chemistry and physical chemistry and it's all interweaving and you can do that with expertise but not this. I can do the chemistry thing with a bit of expertise by interweaving it with materials science and thermodynamics but it's not nearly as easy.

The problem with engineering is your brain. Once you get enough expertise with it you can THEN decide if you like it or not. Until that point you are just throwing massive amounts of dopamine into things trying to penetrate what you are really doing and how. Later you can say things like. I use these math tools to use what I know to find out what I don't know and then everything gets ordered and arranged into equation approaches.

But since the start and end actually cause your brain to reorganize the end can't even relate to the start and really has nothing much to teach them except how they organized it. But since you organize based on your experiences the expert teachers may have far far too many experiences to be able to communicate them. So really all an engineering professor is, is someone who tells you to clean your room and then has a TA judge how clean your room is.
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post #194 of 341
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However, all of those CEO's are no longer working in the STEM field. There are also a larger number of CEO's who go from company to company. The reason they were hired for that is their business skills not their STEM skills.
Yes but how many people start out as CEOs? None, everyone has to start somewhere, and most of them had to start by actually knowing something STEM related. Not all of them started this way but the majority of the people on that list. Just becuase they may not use the concepts they learned daily, STEM greatly plays a role in how they make their business decisions.
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CEO are not really indicative of the majority though. Most people don't aspire to become a CEO out of college.
I realize that. I was just trying to show that the "top paying job in America" are not all directly in the STEM field.

Now if we are talking about "normal jobs" the majority are in the financial / science (medical) fields.
Edited by AtomicFrost - 5/22/11 at 7:50pm
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post #196 of 341
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I realize that. I was just trying to show that the "top paying job in America" are not all directly in the STEM field.

Now if we are talking about "normal jobs" the majority are in the financial / science (medical) fields.
If you look at averages, yes the top paying jobs are math/science related. CEO's are so few and far between that they don't even matter much. There's no 'ceo degree' that you can major in.

We're talking about college degrees that pay the most....they're math/science related, fact.
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If you look at averages, yes the top paying jobs are math/science related. CEO's are so few and far between that they don't even matter much. There's no 'ceo degree' that you can major in.

We're talking about college degrees that pay the most....they're math/science related, fact.
When you look into the top paying degrees further most of them are medical jobs. You can't just make a broad statement that all of the top paying jobs are math/science related when they are all constrained down to the medical field. It is sort of like saying that all Porsche's are faster then BMW's.

It would be interesting to see an individual breakdown of salaries based on the degree a student receives. There are plenty of sci/tech degree holders out there that are still stuck in lower paying jobs compared to non sci/tech degree holding individuals.
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Engineering student here, first year and I want to switch to something else. Psychology seems fitting....

I'll see if I can survive to the end of this year though
Don't do it if you don't like it. Trust me. I'm trying to finish my engineering degree with a year or so left, and I hate everything I'm doing in all my classes. It's almost a living hell.
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When you look into the top paying degrees further most of them are medical jobs. You can't just make a broad statement that all of the top paying jobs are math/science related when they are all constrained down to the medical field. It is sort of like saying that all Porsche's are faster then BMW's.

It would be interesting to see an individual breakdown of salaries based on the degree a student receives. There are plenty of sci/tech degree holders out there that are still stuck in lower paying jobs compared to non "liberal arts" degree holding individuals.

Something like this?

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

The first non-STEM related degree is either #14 Building Construction or #22 Government. I am not exactly sure what Building Construction is.... if it is designing buildings, then it is STEM due to civil engineer relationship.



BTW, Art is #108.
Edited by DuckieHo - 5/22/11 at 8:25pm
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Oh yea good luck to the kid who thinks he's going to make ~60K at 23 y/o right out of college. Unemployed 30+ year old with a decade of experience are going to be fighting for the same jobs and taking pay cuts just to feed their kids. I'll be seeing you in around 6 months in my Army unit
Because
Civil
Engineering
is
a
dying
field.

I was a bit over-zealous with the 60K figure. It's more like ~52K starting, but 60k isn't out the question. Especially with the recession being over about the time I hit the market.

TL;DR:

Edited by videoman5 - 5/22/11 at 8:30pm
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