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I never said they couldn't be related in some way, only that people tend to do better in different fields. Look here:
http://www.ncsu.edu/chass/philo/GRE%...te%20Major.htm
Surely by your logic math majors would occupy the top position in every test, but that is not the case.
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Something like this?

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

The first non-STEM related degree is either #14 Building Construction or #22 Government. I am not exactly sure what Building Construction is.... if it is designing buildings, then it is STEM due to civil engineer relationship.



BTW, Art is #108.
I was about to say where the hell is computer science, I wonder why the starting median salary is so low. The starting median salary for students graduating from my school is ~$65k.
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I never said they couldn't be related in some way, only that people tend to do better in different fields. Look here:
http://www.ncsu.edu/chass/philo/GRE%...te%20Major.htm
Surely by your logic math majors would occupy the top position in every test, but that is not the case.
There is actually covert bias in that ranking.

A large percentage of STEM graduate students are English as second language. This one reason why many enter STEM..... math is universal. However, they are handicapped by the language barrier.



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I was about to say where the hell is computer science, I wonder why the starting median salary is so low. The starting median salary for students graduating from my school is ~$65k.
This is national average.
What school if I may ask? Are there a lot of defense firms that hire from your school?
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Something like this?

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

The first non-STEM related degree is either #14 Building Construction or #22 Government. I am not exactly sure what Building Construction is.... if it is designing buildings, then it is STEM due to civil engineer relationship.



BTW, Art is #108.
Basically the highest paying majors are ones that involve lots of complex problem-solving.
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Basically the highest paying majors are ones that involve lots of complex problem-solving.
Wouldn't you know? People pay more money to people who can do things few can especially if these things make money!
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There is actually covert bias in that ranking.

A large percentage of STEM graduate students are English as second language. This one reason why many enter STEM..... math is universal. However, they are handicapped by the language barrier.
It's better than speculation, and further proves my point. If you have done well in English your whole life, whether it is due to how you are raised or because you enjoy it better, you will find English easier.
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When you look into the top paying degrees further most of them are medical jobs. You can't just make a broad statement that all of the top paying jobs are math/science related when they are all constrained down to the medical field. It is sort of like saying that all Porsche's are faster then BMW's.

It would be interesting to see an individual breakdown of salaries based on the degree a student receives. There are plenty of sci/tech degree holders out there that are still stuck in lower paying jobs compared to non sci/tech degree holding individuals.
Those high end degrees require you to take at least College Physics. The general Physics class in college and I believe you need two semesters. They don't specialize in it, mainly because they have to study more. Most of their studying is mnemonic, they have to memorize a lot of information.

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I never said they couldn't be related in some way, only that people tend to do better in different fields. Look here:
http://www.ncsu.edu/chass/philo/GRE%...te%20Major.htm
Surely by your logic math majors would occupy the top position in every test, but that is not the case.
[paragraph edited out due to being worded poorly and too lazy to fix it.]

The best test would be for each of those people to be given random situations/problems to figure out. I'm pretty sure that the math based degrees would be very high on the list.

Though I believe a lot of the social sciences require you to take certain levels of math, so they would not only be smart in their field but have a rough background for Physics. This means they get the same logic/structure that the Physics major gets. That's what I mean by math based majors, they are derived from the logic principles behind math. My example above with medical students, they take 2 years of college level physics. Another math based major, because you need that reason and deduction to go through with your career.

I didn't say a physics major, I said a field with high end math. Taking two years of general physics qualifies as high end math. THAT is where I was going, but thanks for the info.

http://trueslant.com/matthewsteingla...nglish-majors/

That's interesting, because that's a very new study that suggest something incredibly off the wall. Way newer than your GRE scores, which isn't a percent over long periods of time but rather a few years. Fluctuations can happen and do, though I'd still trust SAT scores over that. Not only is it extremely accepted but it's harder.

This study is also very interesting because it could suggest that English might benefit from math! Not really surprising, everything can benefit from logic.

[edit2] OMG That study could even link previous engineers and math, they might learn it easier due to their mathematical background! Oh I love when something works out and I never intended it to. BAM!
Edited by mushroomboy - 5/22/11 at 9:19pm
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Something like this?

http://www.payscale.com/best-colleges/degrees.asp

The first non-STEM related degree is either #14 Building Construction or #22 Government. I am not exactly sure what Building Construction is.... if it is designing buildings, then it is STEM due to civil engineer relationship.



BTW, Art is #108.
That is an interesting list. However, they only get their data from users on that site.

This list got their information from the Bureau of Labor: http://www.cnbc.com/id/30644766/High...ying_Jobs_2010

It looks like 13/20 jobs on this list are medical. It looks like if you want to go into sci/tech and make the most money forget engineering and go to med school.
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Just to clarify that med students generally do take a lot of math.

http://bioeng.berkeley.edu/premedinfo.php

Code:
Since there is no pre-med major, you can prepare by completing a major in Bioengineering. Toward that 
end, we have designed a Pre-Med Concentration within the Bioengineering major. While any major at the 
undergraduate level is acceptable, you must fulfill the following premedical requirements to prepare for 
medical school:

    2 years of chemistry (general and organic) (Cal sequence: Chem 1A, 3A, 3B, MCB C100A)
    1 year of physics (Cal Sequence: Phy 7A & 7B)
    1 year of introductory biology with lab (Cal sequence: Bio 1A & 1B)
    1 year Math (Math 1A & 1B)
    1 Semester or 1 year of College Level English
I would be confident to say all the medical schools require something extremely similar. Even 1 year of Physics vs the 2 I said is still comparable, physics is physics. This might differ from school to school, as there is no official standard.

[edit: better link/info]
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Physics with Lab (1 year)
Most students take Physics 8A and 8B.
https://career.berkeley.edu/Medical/PrepPrereq.stm
Edited by mushroomboy - 5/22/11 at 9:08pm
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These higher level courses are very tough courses and should not be taken lightly. We need confident teachers teaching these courses or we will continue to see our science graduate base decrease.
I agree with this.

When I finished my final exam in my philosophy class, I told the professor that I'm entering into my core classes or Biology, Chemistry and Calculus and he quickly said the science professors at the school suck. We'll I went on a few sites and student feedback and the teachers are awful. I have to take classes at odd times during the day to take a highly desirable professor.

Many of the professors are doing an injustice to their students and society by not engaging the classroom and understanding the steps of learning. Just spewing out info on powerpoint slides doesn't make some one an educator.

I wanted to do something easy like Graphic Design or CIT, but I remembered what a person said, "Don't go to school to pursue a hobby, go to school to pursue a career that will make a difference." I'm a Pharmacy Major soon to be UF and I will like to specialize in Medicinal Chemistry. Research in cancer and skin disorders are my main focuses. Now, I don't know how I'm going to achieve my goal but if I keep going I'll eventually get there.
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