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I think every engineering school tells this to students on the first day.

Personally I think it's just to scare the students and make them take their classes seriously. In the 3 years I was at Tech, I knew of less than a handful of people that didn't graduate (transferred to other schools).
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141 Credit hours? I couldn't do that. Period.

That's really disappointing about the math and the FCAT. Here in Nebraska, at least at my high school, people were placed into math accordingly. I got placed into Pre-Algebra in 6th Grade. Last year in high school I took Calc III at UNO first semester, and AP Statistics second semester. Man, Stats was a joke compared to Calc III.
141+, I know right, most people said they didn't have a social life until exams were over. The girlfriend I'll have at the time I may keep, I'm not going to have time to find another. That gives you an idea what the person in the video is trying to say. These major are so challenging and time consuming that most people rather chose professions that are less stressful and time consuming.

There's no motivation to advance pass Geometry because the FCAT is needed to graduate. Algebra and Geometry are test, not Algebra II(College Algebra), Trig and Cal. I was apart of the last class for it not to be a requirement for graduation, but many students are struggling with that now. In June, many seniors will have to take summer class to receive their diploma, which has nothing to do with the grades in standard coursework.

Now, do you think the students who failed or had difficulty with the FCAT are motivated to pursue challenging careers?
The people are kicked in the teeth before they even step on a college campus.
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May I know how old you guys were when you started college as a freshman?
I'll be graduating high school next year and will be about 17 and a half when I start college and I'll be applying as an international applicant. Do you think that this is the right age (or a good age) for university? especially for an international applicant?
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May I know how old you guys were when you started college as a freshman?
I'll be graduating high school next year and will be about 17 and a half when I start college and I'll be applying as an international applicant. Do you think that this is the right age (or a good age) for university? especially for an international applicant?
I turned 18 about two months before my first day at a university. I don't think there is any reason to wait. You might not feel ready now, but you will never really feel ready until you just jump in and get to work.
    
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I'm currently at NIU for Mechanical Engineering entering my senior year. Its been an absolute battle, I agree with points made about teachers getting tenured for research instead of good teaching. My friends, fellow students and I are always fighting to find a way to avoid certain teachers or just hope to survive classes with certain ones, its just ridiculous. So many people either drop out or don't get out in anywhere near 4 years in engineering at most schools, and its unfortunate. There are deficiencies in the teaching and its forcing plenty of smart and driven students out of the harder fields, some of the smartest friends I have didn't go into engineering because of the teaching quality at most schools, its sad as its a loss of some really smart people that could very well have been at the forefront later on in innovations and solutions to a lot of the issues we have. I'm glad i've stuck it out but theres been so many thoughts about was this the right idea due to many of the previously mentioned issues.
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This.

You will probably have an easier time getting internships though, and good internships = good starting job most of the time.

I graduated with a BS from Virginia Tech with a bottom-half GPA and I majored in EE. I got a job right after graduation without much effort that pays right on par with the average starting salary of 62k. I guess most of the country is having trouble finding work but it sure didn't apply to me. The company I worked for just hired about 15 college age engineers.
Very true... Companies tend to partner with bigger/more prestigious schools. You have a better chance at intern recruitment or research projects.

I sucked at school. Classes were too big and I fell asleep in lectures. I am very hands-on and did awesome in labs. Didn't get paid much coming out of college due to grades and dot-com bust. However, I tripled my salary in 7 years.
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Very true... Companies tend to partner with bigger/more prestigious schools. You have a better chance at intern recruitment or research projects.

I sucked at school. Classes were too big and I fell asleep in lectures. I am very hands-on and did awesome in labs. Didn't get paid much coming out of college due to grades and dot-com bust. However, I tripled my salary in 7 years.
I can attest to this fact as well. I attend UW-Madison, and they have corporate sponsored engineering expos every semester. Hundreds of companies come looking for interns, co-ops, and entry level graduates. The internship is key, it opens so many doors. As the old saying goes, it's not what you know, but who you know (for the most part).

I wonder what the retention statistics are like following completion of sophomore year. My first two years were largely massive lectures like you; I think this is something you just have to deal with at the larger public universities with good engineering programs. Once you hit junior year your classes are much more specialized and interesting (provided you actually like your major ).
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I sucked at school. Classes were too big and I fell asleep in lectures. I am very hands-on and did awesome in labs. Didn't get paid much coming out of college due to grades and dot-com bust. However, I tripled my salary in 7 years.
Like einstein mate,Like einstein.

He was awful at maths when he was at school. jeje
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I wonder what the retention statistics are like following completion of sophomore year. My first two years were largely massive lectures like you; I think this is something you just have to deal with at the larger public universities with good engineering programs. Once you hit junior year your classes are much more specialized and interesting (provided you actually like your major ).
That is true... I did have some cool professors in senior and super-senior years.

One of my professors use to fly up from Florida on a private plane to teach a weekly class. He use to work at BellLabs and was a self-made millionare after selling a few tech companies. He personally knew the authors of many of our textbooks and called a few of them idiots.
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it's easier to get 100% in the sciences than it is in the social sciences. Can't speak for the humanities, although I assume it's the same (in drama there is a good vs a great way to act, in art there is proper and improper technique, etc.). from my experience, it's almost impossible to get into the high 90s in philosophy, a bit easier for political science. for philosophy in particular, a lot of people chalk that up to it being a 'subjective' area of study (like the answers to questions can be whatever you argue well enough for, as appose to 4 being the correct answer to 2 plus 2). It's not really like that though, there really are right or wrong answers in philosophy and it's surprisingly difficult to get your paper back with a great mark and I'm still not quite sure why that is.

I feel like originality is stifled within the social sciences; political science especially. Apparently for the hard sciences, all the genuises or the "great thinkers" are known by the time they're in their early 20s. All the great thinkers in poli sci are known once they hit like 65, anyone under that age can forget about being respected by the scholastic community for their ideas (generally). In philosophy most of the professors at my school (university of toronto) did their undergrads in mathematics, since in order to "really" understand it you need a grasp of logic which for us is predicate calculus on the most basic level. You move into probabilities and that sort of thing afterwards. But it's not calc like engineers talk about; still just as hard but it's not the same thing.

Here in Ontario, apparently they are taking out the toughest math courses from highschool grade 12 (calc and discrete functions i think) and moving them into first year university courses. an engineer friend of mine pointed out to me that that means those kids going into eng or other hard sciences won't do calc until first year uni, and he says that it's going to be a complete clusterSEX because that stuff is very difficult to master.

THE POINT: we'll probably see the same trend here of science majors switching over because these first-year students are going to feel like they're getting falcon punched every day.
Good post. reps
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