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Yay I'm #9
Me too... and above the average.

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Is there a petroleum engineer major :O? So much damn money
Yeah, I knew one... he spent $20K in a RPG wargame and his wife didn't even care.


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CU Boulder, we have everyone here, Google, Lockheed Martin, Bell Aerospace, Oracle, IBM, Northrop Grumman, Harris, HP and even a Microsoft office now.
Thay's why!

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stop simplifying music

it all comes down to how your brain works/ how you were raised
most of us understand basic musical or literary concepts and thus disregard future pursuit as trivial. This is why I have no respect for cocky engineers. Thank god I'll be a lawyer, too bad the only thing worse is an engineer.

Seriously, how many lives have been lost due to cocky engineers? I can count quite a few. Death to engineers who are innovative or original. Thats not ur job, and its not what ur good at. Do the math, thats all you will ever be good for. I can't stand engineers if u can't tell. Not one type of person I detest more. The sense of entitlement just kills it for me.
....how many lives have been lost to cocky lawyers? Probably a lot more than from cocky engineers. When an engineer catastrophically fails, the norm is ten to hundreds are injuried. When lawyers do their worst, thousands to millions can be affected.

Engineers do not just do math.... they solve problems. Who develops and builds the technology that drives the world? Not lawyers....
Edited by DuckieHo - 5/23/11 at 10:06pm
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I think the real reason why there's less engineer graduates is that most people that end up going to college for it don't have a true interest or passion for it and are only doing it because A. For the money, B. They're parents are pressuring them to become an engineer, or C. Because of the "prestige" label that's associated with engineering. Honestly, my hats go off to those people that have a true passion for engineering. There's no way that all of that math and circuit theory could keep me interested. I'd have a better time watching paint dry than learning about that stuff.
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*Deep Breath....and...Begin Rant*

I'm a pretty big fan of the "Good Will Hunting" method of education. You are your own teacher. The University exists to print your degree and that's about it. The rest is on you.

If you are failing a class in college, it's YOUR fault. No one else's. If you aren't getting it, work harder, go to conference time, form a study group. Quit screwing around with the frisbee on the quad and go log some desk time. I saw a survey recently on how much college students study and it was pathetic. Most students think just showing up for class should be all you need to do to graduate summa cum. Yes, STEM is hard. That's why it pays well...The only surefire path to success in this world is to have a valuable skill that not just any schmoe can do.
Forget the G-ride, build the machines that make 'em.

*Obligatory old-man when-I-was-your-age speech*

I did undergrad in 3 years. I took around 23 hours or so a semester and took summer classes. My mindset was that college was my full-time job. Graduated Magna Cum Laude with B.S. in Biology and Biochemistry. It didn't matter to me what professor I took because I was going to teach myself the material. I still usually destroyed the curve, earning the hatred/envy of the other pre-meds that were just going through the motions and the close friendship of several who weren't.
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based on what ive seen at my university, most students are just too damn lazy to put the effort in for a tech degree.

whats really baffling is just how easy University is these days. it takes almost zero effort to get a BA in Business/Arts. my university is actually cutting some of the more rigourous programs in favor of funding the business school, because its more profitable and has a higher success rate (not surprising, when you consider how much of what they 'teach' there is common sense)
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TL;DR (not all of it).

Stop complaining about bad prof's your whole class is in it together, unless the whole class fails you have no excuse. Live with it.
The whole class failed thermodynamics. He was the only one teaching it that semester.

The whole class failed electromagnetic fields (admittedly, hardest class in school), only 1 professor teaching it.

Come to my school
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Also in many countries markets are oversaturated with engineers and unemployment that they go work abroad, mostly western europe, australia, usa, gulf arab countries, not to make a career and a fortune, but to earn the basic wage that their country deprives.
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For those arguing the high-school does not prepare you for university. It isn't in its goal to do any sort of thing. The purpose of high-school is to keep children off the streets. University is where your actual learning begins.
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Well, those are way harder than freaking English, Art, and Music.
THIS!


I love to see when my friends say "Oh my god, Law is so hard..."


Okay, want some second order differential equations, without calculator? Or some primitives?


And I'm only in the first year ._.
   
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THIS!


I love to see when my friends say "Oh my god, Law is so hard..."


Okay, want some second order differential equations, without calculator? Or some primitives?


And I'm only in the first year ._.
There are other hard majors than STEM:
Law is pretty hard.... it's a lot of reading.
Pharmacy is pretty hard too... lots of memorization.
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*Deep Breath....and...Begin Rant*

I'm a pretty big fan of the "Good Will Hunting" method of education. You are your own teacher. The University exists to print your degree and that's about it. The rest is on you.

If you are failing a class in college, it's YOUR fault. No one else's. If you aren't getting it, work harder, go to conference time, form a study group. Quit screwing around with the frisbee on the quad and go log some desk time. I saw a survey recently on how much college students study and it was pathetic. Most students think just showing up for class should be all you need to do to graduate summa cum. Yes, STEM is hard. That's why it pays well...The only surefire path to success in this world is to have a valuable skill that not just any schmoe can do.
Forget the G-ride, build the machines that make 'em.

*Obligatory old-man when-I-was-your-age speech*

I did undergrad in 3 years. I took around 23 hours or so a semester and took summer classes. My mindset was that college was my full-time job. Graduated Magna Cum Laude with B.S. in Biology and Biochemistry. It didn't matter to me what professor I took because I was going to teach myself the material. I still usually destroyed the curve, earning the hatred/envy of the other pre-meds that were just going through the motions and the close friendship of several who weren't.
Oh my god, the bold is so true. When I was a grad student TA'ing lab classes, the kids thought exactly that. "But I go to every lecture, I don't understand how I could be failing." Do you study material from the books before it's covered in class? "No..." Do you work through assigned problems, making sure you understand the concepts before coming to class? "No...but I work through all of the homeworks with the solutions manual..." You're wasting your time.

The BEST method for me to learn material in undergrad (and grad school too, I guess) was thinking about the lecture as just a refresher of all the material I studied before hand, where you mainly sit back and absorb the material, and make note of the few little things you might not have picked up from learning it before hand, and also to see what the instructor seems to emphasize (to make sure you know what the exam might be like). It's nearly a complete waste of an education to just show up to class, work through homeworks later, and think you're going to learn the material to the level you are expected every time. Kids these days don't seem to think there's any personal accountability with education, and everything is expected to be given to them. Get rid of the entitlement issues that seem to get worse and worse with the younger and younger generations (likely due to the insta-access of "information" available on the net these days), and teach them some personal responsibility and accountability, and that will go a long way to fixing our educational problems. How to implement that--that's something for people smarter than me to figure out...
    
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