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I've always wanted to become a Chemical Engineer, however...

I got a D in High School Algebra, had to retake it.

I got a D in Calculus w/ Analytical Geometry TWICE.

From then on, I had to ditch my engineering dreams.

Some people want to have careers in fields which they are not intellectually inclined to complete.
Oh I never passed Precalc in the university when they told me they wouldn't take my highschool calculus. I also had to take Calc 1 twice there because I tested out of Precalc midway through the semester and jumped into Calc 1 (they refused to give me credit for the Precalc too).

I gave up on engineering because the amount of work/classes was ridiculous along with the fact only one out of 10 professors knew English as their native language or cared that much about students. Throw in the GE course and I calculated that I was taking about 10 more classes than most of the other majors. Out of the group of friends I had started with in engineering only 2 are sticking to it.

Knowing what I know now I wouldn't have tried for engineering because you essentially need to have finished AP Calculus 1/2 along with AP Physics by the time you finish high school or you'll be behind finishing in 4-5years (excluding doing summer and winter sessions).
     
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Probably because the average ME or EE degree is 25-33% more credit hours for the same damn undergrad degree than an Poly Sci degree. Not to mention that a "five hour" class for a ME is worth three credits, and for a lib arts major, it's worth five.

To succeed in engineering you need to be smart, be willing to give up all your free time, have some money, and you really need to want to do it.
This is so true for many science classes as well. I took a chemistry lab that was 5 hours long with a 2 hour discussion section every week and it was 3 credit hours... It was a 7 hour a week commitment with class time alone not including studying. Many other lab classes were just as bad.

I had easily double the coursework and time load of my non-science/engineering friends. When I was enrolled in 14 credit hours I was doing easily twice the work of friends enrolled in 17 credit hours of easy classes.

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This.

I'm a first year grad student and am finishing my third quarter TAing. I am amazed at how the students complain that they fail but do so little to engage with the material. Since section attendance isn't mandatory I see about 20 of my 120 students. . . Students also aren't interested in making connections between their classes and learning outside the box. And no, wikipedia should not be your first and only reference source.

I read somewhere that graduation rates for college (undergrad) now are in line with graduation rates for high school fifty years ago. In essence, the degree is the new diploma and qualifies you for about as much. This is why we need dump majors. . . everybody knows what they are for their schools (dump majors at my undergrad school were health sciences and psychology).
As part of my PhD requirement I have had to be a Graduate Teaching Assistant for 2 years. I have taught several semesters of 500 (Senior) level microbiology (Virology Labs). It's amazing how lazy and childish some, no... MOST, of the students are. And these are mostly Pre-Med students. I am honestly terrified if these are going to be our future doctors.

I try to push the students to learn and think a little bit and I get massive amounts of complaints in my email and reported to my superiors. It's crazy. And I consider myself a cool GTA. In my opinion I would have loved to have had a guy like me as a GTA. I went to this school as an undergrad as well and took this very same class about 5 years ago. I know what it is like to be a student in this class.
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Probably because they see their friends do about half the work they're required to do, and go to the bar Wednesday-Saturday and have a hell of a good time doing it.

I'm a Civil Engineer and other than CAD I can pretty much throw most of my coursework out the window at my job. Hell, I've forgotten most of it now anyway.
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Probably because they see their friends do about half the work they're required to do, and go to the bar Wednesday-Saturday and have a hell of a good time doing it.

I'm a Civil Engineer and other than CAD I can pretty much throw most of my coursework out the window at my job. Hell, I've forgotten most of it now anyway.
That's the thing that I hate about the current education system. It's all this pointless rote learning system that doesn't lead to anything but drones to slave away for corporate jobs. I think rote learning is fine through high school. But college should be based on something more worthwhile. I remembered more from labs or projects than the studying and tests because it's just not possible for the majority of us to photographically memorize everything and with that advent of computers I don't understand why we should.
     
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The problem is that universities make you take a boatload of classes that you don't need to take, and are only there to line the pockets of the universities. General education is great, maybe 2 years of it. If you really want to learn you need total immersion into that field. You don't need to be taking art or life skills classes if your a physics major.

The bloating of course requirements is what is making students stay in college for 6 years. Cut the crap and you'll be out in 4.
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I've always wanted to become a Chemical Engineer, however...

I got a D in High School Algebra, had to retake it.

I got a D in Calculus w/ Analytical Geometry TWICE.

From then on, I had to ditch my engineering dreams.

Some people want to have careers in fields which they are not intellectually inclined to complete.
Thank god there's someone just like me. I love physics, I love science, but i'm terrible at math. I just can't do it. a's in everything else, f's in math.

I'll be lucky if I even get a business admin degree.


And for those who claim most students are lazy because they don't get good grades, why don't you try working a full time job and paying your own rent while going to school. I bet you still live at home with mommy and daddy and they take care of you 100% while your in school, you've never have any real responsibility. You can just sit at the library and study all day long and when it's lunchtime you go across the street to the taqueria and get a yummy burrito with your parents money.
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Thank god there's someone just like me. I love physics, I love science, but i'm terrible at math. I just can't do it. a's in everything else, f's in math.

I'll be lucky if I even get a business admin degree.


And for those who claim most students are lazy because they don't get good grades, why don't you try working a full time job and paying your own rent while going to school. I bet you still live at home with mommy and daddy and they take care of you 100% while your in school, you've never have any real responsibility. You can just sit at the library and study all day long and when it's lunchtime you go across the street to the taqueria and get a yummy burrito with your parents money.
I'm in a similar situation, I'm in Gymnasium right now, and I don't know how it works in the US, but here in Denmark we got 3 levels of every single class, as an example I got Danish (duh) on A, which is the highest level, therefor I have it all the three years it takes to complete HTX, which is a stands for Higher Technical Exams, therefor it's logical that we have Technology on A aswell, which I find really interesting, and I get good grades aswell, however I'm on my last year after Summer, and I had to choose whether I wanted English on A or Math on A, however for some reason the majority of University's require Math on A, and therefor I was forced to choose that even though I hate Math, and wanted English much more, It's sad
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Oh God, I hate MATH! I can't understand it, I can't stand it, I don't like Math!
When it comes to university, I will apply for a study field where Math is not required at all.
Sadly, this would be hard since I am into computer science and engineering. Math is needed here oh, I don't know what to do.. I have 3 years more, though.
    
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I have taught several semesters of 500 (Senior) level microbiology (Virology Labs). It's amazing how lazy and childish some, no... MOST, of the students are. And these are mostly Pre-Med students. I am honestly terrified if these are going to be our future doctors.
Don't worry, the vast majority of pre-meds are all hat, no cattle. There were 3000 applicants for the 190 seats at my medical school. The schools do a pretty good job of weeding them out during the application/interview process. The rest can't hack it because medical school don't play. There's no mercy there. They will unflinchingly grind you to a fine powder if you aren't prepared to spend your every waking minute absorbing medicine.

Anyone who says the hard part is getting in......didn't.
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Word. People have to know this stuff by heart. This is just metabolism.

Oh god, you just triggered my PTSD.
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