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Yeah, but does music require maxed out course load just to graduate?

5-6 courses plus 1-2 labs a semester.

Most people get music. Most people do not just get quantum physics or circuit design.

I know someone who is going for their music degree. They are constantly stressed out about practicing for it. They're not bad at it either.

Both are very tough, but in their own ways.
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Engineering and some science courses tend to be the most difficult to explain, interpert, and achieve. They don't want people making a bridge unless they know exactly 100% what they are doing. If not, the bridge collapses; people get hurt or these valuable assests are lost. You want a professional, so you train someone to be one.

Problem is, due to the difficultly of these courses, you tend to get teachers, who frankly, are not fit to teach. Knowing the material and then teaching it is 2 completely different things. The difficultly to get good teachers is horrendous, so half the time, you get a teacher who can't speak English teach a class full of people who only know English. The whole teaching field for these systems needs to be seriously rehauled.
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Another problem I see is that many professors uses a certain curve where some have to fail.
So like if every made above an 80, then the bottom people still fail the test. This really discourages students.
Coupled with professors not really doing anything anymore since they can just power point it all now :/
Then the prices of schools go up at a rate much higher than inflation, or at least many do.
Then also many times the pre-req class you need is either full or not available that semester so now you get delayed an entire semester if not more.
And also while the internet is being made a bigger part of school, it doesn't play a large enough role. Textsbooks simply can't keep up with new facts, changes in theories and new standards, to justify them as a good medium of knowledge anymore.
    
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I am currently undertaking a a degree in Electrical Engineering and let me tell you, the work load is ridiculous at times, my friends who are doing an Art degree pretty much breeze through it.

I plan on finishing mine though, a skill shortage means more opportunities and money for me!
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With Art degrees here you can either fake (can't think of a better, more appropriate word lol) your way through and end up working at Starbucks or slave over your work every night and actually get somewhere in life. Just depends on how you apply yourself since for art the degree doesn't mean anything, it's about the portfolio and connections you build.

Just thought I'd throw that out there since some people get in this state of mind that it's all about the degree.
Edited by Marin - 5/21/11 at 11:28pm
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I'd say because of high school preparation.
The school I go to is a technological university, it is known for its engineering. I originally came in looking at a degree in mechanical engineering, but decided to switch to computer science. The curriculum for mechanical engineering had an average of about 17 credit hours per semester, the average load for a student is 15. It required all the advanced math, up through calculus 3 and differential equations. In high school, our math was ridiculously easy, even the AP courses. We were taught to utilize the calculator to its maximum capabilities. When I entered the math courses here, it was devastating. You are expected to do trig integration, Reiman sum, linear approximations, etc all without calculators. Calculators aren't allowed at all. Also, you are required to master two semesters of advanced physics and advanced chemistry.
So basically, the drop outs would be because they aren't prepared. Most people think college is suppose to be one big party because of stories, tv, movies, etc. If you really want a degree in something that advanced, you have to be ready and expect to make it first priority. I've noticed most people aren't willing to do that.
I tend to agree with your comment, Maybe the flaw is in schools ,and also the way teachers are prepared for their students.
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Engineering and some science courses tend to be the most difficult to explain, interpert, and achieve. They don't want people making a bridge unless they know exactly 100% what they are doing. If not, the bridge collapses; people get hurt or these valuable assests are lost. You want a professional, so you train someone to be one.

Problem is, due to the difficultly of these courses, you tend to get teachers, who frankly, are not fit to teach. Knowing the material and then teaching it is 2 completely different things. The difficultly to get good teachers is horrendous, so half the time, you get a teacher who can't speak English teach a class full of people who only know English. The whole teaching field for these systems needs to be seriously rehauled.
Yeah, this was a huge problem. Only the upper classes had good teachers.... the majority of the lower classes had teachers who could not teach or even speak conversation English.

One TA could barely write English, he was writing backwards "e" and other strange characters.
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Don't forget that a degree doesn't need to take 4 years either... it can take 5 or 6 if need be Getting a well rounded education in which you actually learn is the most important thing.
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I'd suggest you really think about it deeply first. Look up average salaries for your area for both fields. Psychology is not a very rewarding path unless you go all the way for a Doctorate.
average engineer makes 50-60 a year...if not...starting. you have to go through a lot of coop to make as decent pay of 80k a year and be near the top of your class.

dont have experience, expect half that or even a job in your field.
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Why's everyone complaining? This is the best news I've read all day. It means colleges have finally stopped dumbing down their courses and are beginning to weed out people who never should have been there in the first place. Only about 10 years too late....
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