Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Technology and Science News › [CNN] Why would-be engineers end up as English majors
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[CNN] Why would-be engineers end up as English majors - Page 8

post #71 of 341
I am in charge of my own education. If I fail it's because I didn't study, not I wasn't taught properly. There are enough resources to mean that a teacher can never be your downfall.

However, having grown up in the Canadian school system, I have to say it's not much different to the UK's style of learning. No idea about Unis though, all I know if my GF left Brown because she really wasn't impressed by it. Came back and studies in London now.
post #72 of 341
I'm on my last year in EE. I had a conversation with my dad a couple of years ago about the possiblity of going for my Masters, he supported my decision. However, now that I am nearing the end I cannot see myself going back to school for another couple of years. I am completely burnt out. Hell, they couldn't pay me to go back.
post #73 of 341
Quote:
Originally Posted by alk View Post
I am just about to graduate, and I can say that those who blame the teachers at University, are the ones who fail. Why? Because University is not about being spoon fed like at school. It's about solidifying a positive attitude towards your studies and finding internal motivation to graduate. In life, you must stand on your own feet. The days of being spoon fed are over. Take some responsibility for your own learning.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phaedrus2129 View Post
You're not in the US. You don't know what our schools are like. Trust me, it's worse here.
Worse or not, he is right.

I think people have this amazingly idealized viewed of college, where the professors are passionate experts in their fields who want nothing more than spread as much knowledge as possible in plain English to everyone around them for free! It's just not like this.

A lot of times, its exactly the opposite! The schools bring in professors to do high level research and then they get stuck teaching undergrad classes. The schools save money and the professors don't give a **** about you 9 times out of 10. Guess what? This is a taste of the real world.

People complain about taking useless classes and having professors who can't talk to them. Guess how much "useless" work you are going to do at your job? A lot. Guess how many times you are going to get instructions from a boss who has little to no understanding of your discipline? A lot.

Speaking as a recent engineer grad, it took me a few semester to figure out how to beat college. You have to apply the same problem solving principles are everything else. Does the professor only put stuff from homework on his tests? The skip class every day and use the time to study or memorize the homework. Read the syllabus like it was your bible and focus MUCH harder on the things he weights the most. If he doesn't test from the homework, and its only worth 5% of your grade, then SKIP IT. Think about the diminishing returns you get from studying for 100 hours vs. studying for 10. I could study for 10 and get a B-/C+, but if you study for 100 sometimes the professor will STILL make the test hard and you will get a B+/A-. Is it worth the extra 90 hours? Nope.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-2600k 4.5GHz @ 1.32V Asus P8P67 Pro EVGA GTX 580 Mushkin 2133 9-10-9-24 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840  WD Black Silver Arrow Windows 7 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2211H Rosewill RK-9000BR Seasonic X750 HAF X 
MouseAudio
Razer Lachesis Grado HF2 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-2600k 4.5GHz @ 1.32V Asus P8P67 Pro EVGA GTX 580 Mushkin 2133 9-10-9-24 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Samsung 840  WD Black Silver Arrow Windows 7 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2211H Rosewill RK-9000BR Seasonic X750 HAF X 
MouseAudio
Razer Lachesis Grado HF2 
  hide details  
Reply
post #74 of 341
I'm starting ECE at Carnegie Mellon this fall...
I will be exploiting my TA's office hours first day of school.
Lenovo W520
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 2630QM idk lol Quadro 2000M 8 Gigabytes 
Hard DriveOSMonitorCase
500 7200RPM Windows 8 Pro + Ubuntu 15.6 1920x1080 Lenovo plastic 
  hide details  
Reply
Lenovo W520
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i7 2630QM idk lol Quadro 2000M 8 Gigabytes 
Hard DriveOSMonitorCase
500 7200RPM Windows 8 Pro + Ubuntu 15.6 1920x1080 Lenovo plastic 
  hide details  
Reply
post #75 of 341
Quote:
Originally Posted by error10 View Post
Why's everyone complaining? This is the best news I've read all day. It means colleges have finally stopped dumbing down their courses and are beginning to weed out people who never should have been there in the first place. Only about 10 years too late....
People drop these courses because they lack a foundation in the fundamentals, not because they 'don't belong' which could be attributed to our educational structure which is a systematic failure.

If you applaud this then you applauded the failure that is our education at the grade-school level. It does nothing to help our cause.

Quote:
Originally Posted by alk View Post
I am just about to graduate, and I can say that those who blame the teachers at University, are the ones who fail. Why? Because University is not about being spoon fed like at school. It's about solidifying a positive attitude towards your studies and finding internal motivation to graduate. In life, you must stand on your own feet. The days of being spoon fed are over. Take some responsibility for your own learning.
I agree. +1 But the problem is our grade schools/teachers.
Edited by BizzareRide - 5/22/11 at 6:36am
Po' Pimpin'
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
i5 2500k @ stock Biostar TZ68K+ [A3] 4GB  Sandforce 1222 64GB SSD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG 22x DVD-+RW  Stock Windows 7 x64 Acer S211HL 1080p 
PowerCaseMouse
600w Diablotek Linkworld Electronic Inland 
  hide details  
Reply
Po' Pimpin'
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
i5 2500k @ stock Biostar TZ68K+ [A3] 4GB  Sandforce 1222 64GB SSD 
Optical DriveCoolingOSMonitor
LG 22x DVD-+RW  Stock Windows 7 x64 Acer S211HL 1080p 
PowerCaseMouse
600w Diablotek Linkworld Electronic Inland 
  hide details  
Reply
post #76 of 341
They have failed to include statistics for Asians.
post #77 of 341
One thing I've learned from all my years at school is that nothing is hard. It's all a matter of your attitude towards it. If you go into a class already thinking that it's going to be hard, then that's automatically going to make it harder to learn.
Server
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5-3470 ASRock Z77 Extreme6 16 GB G.Skill Sniper DDR3-1600 1TB WD Caviar Black 
Hard DriveCoolingOSCase
4TB WD Caviar Red Cooler Master Hyper 212+ VMWare ESXi NZXT Crafted Series Tempest 410 
OtherOtherOther
LSI 9280-16i4e RAID Card Intel I350 Quad Port Gigabit NIC Intel Pro/1000 PT Dual Port Gigabit NIC 
  hide details  
Reply
Server
(11 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5-3470 ASRock Z77 Extreme6 16 GB G.Skill Sniper DDR3-1600 1TB WD Caviar Black 
Hard DriveCoolingOSCase
4TB WD Caviar Red Cooler Master Hyper 212+ VMWare ESXi NZXT Crafted Series Tempest 410 
OtherOtherOther
LSI 9280-16i4e RAID Card Intel I350 Quad Port Gigabit NIC Intel Pro/1000 PT Dual Port Gigabit NIC 
  hide details  
Reply
post #78 of 341
I guess I got lucky (and unlucky). I wanted to go into video game programming and there happen to be a couple places that specialize in that specifically. Those private schools are much less traditional than your standard college so you don't end up with the same issues like waiting a year for a course you need for your major.

However, private schools tend to cost a lot more. So lucky that I didn't have to put up with the traditional college crap, and unlucky that I did end up paying about 40% more for college. I feel like it worked out alright though, I ended up with a job before I had even graduated and am making a good salary. Still, traditional school or not, 65% of the original joining class dropped out. And of the remaining 35% only about 25% of them that I know of got a job in their major.
Edited by lordikon - 5/22/11 at 7:46am
Foldatron
(17 items)
 
Mat
(10 items)
 
Work iMac
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 950 EVGA x58 3-way SLI EVGA GTX 660ti GTX 275 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3x2GB Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 80GB Intel X25-M SSD 2TB WD Black 150GB WD Raptor 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
2x 150GB WD V-raptor in RAID0 Win7 Home 64-bit OEM 55" LED 120hz 1080p Vizio MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 
PowerCase
750W PC P&C Silencer CoolerMaster 690 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5 2500S AMD 6770M 8GB (2x4GB) at 1333Mhz 1TB, 7200 rpm 
Optical DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
LG 8X Dual-Layer "SuperDrive" OS X Lion 27" iMac screen Mac wireless keyboard 
Mouse
Mac wireless mouse 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i7-2600K AMD 6970M 1GB 16GB PC3-10600 DDR3 1TB 7200rpm 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
256GB SSD 8x DL "SuperDrive" OS X 10.7 Lion 27" 2560x1440 iMac display 
Monitor
27" Apple thunderbolt display 
  hide details  
Reply
Foldatron
(17 items)
 
Mat
(10 items)
 
Work iMac
(9 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 950 EVGA x58 3-way SLI EVGA GTX 660ti GTX 275 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
3x2GB Corsair Dominator DDR3-1600 80GB Intel X25-M SSD 2TB WD Black 150GB WD Raptor 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
2x 150GB WD V-raptor in RAID0 Win7 Home 64-bit OEM 55" LED 120hz 1080p Vizio MS Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 
PowerCase
750W PC P&C Silencer CoolerMaster 690 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
Intel Core i5 2500S AMD 6770M 8GB (2x4GB) at 1333Mhz 1TB, 7200 rpm 
Optical DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
LG 8X Dual-Layer "SuperDrive" OS X Lion 27" iMac screen Mac wireless keyboard 
Mouse
Mac wireless mouse 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
i7-2600K AMD 6970M 1GB 16GB PC3-10600 DDR3 1TB 7200rpm 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
256GB SSD 8x DL "SuperDrive" OS X 10.7 Lion 27" 2560x1440 iMac display 
Monitor
27" Apple thunderbolt display 
  hide details  
Reply
post #79 of 341
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth Pyros View Post
In all honesty I don't blame those who decide to back out of those fields. The schooling system in the U.S. is pretty ridiculous (in my opinion) and is getting only worse. Every several years the school boards add more required courses and I feel this is why so many people end up dropping out of their studies. Many of the classes (I'd say well more than 25% of the courses required) taken for ANY field of study are hilariously useless towards that particular field of work. Why are they required? Just because; because that's the way they want it and that's the way it'll be. Ummm... wow, really? I have to sit through Biology and Chemistry for a Computer Information Systems degree? Niiiiice. It's awesome to know that the ~$300-$500 I spend on each class (which we either pay or live poorly without a higher degree) supports their scheme.

Another factor that contributes to this are the horrible salaries our teachers make, and not only that, the piss-poor teachers that are somehow being hired. Teachers are quite an important role in our world, and they are paid horribly for their job. My sister (an elementary teacher) has a Master's degree and she just barely breaks $30,000 annually. Raise the pay, raise the quality requirement bar, and you won't need to worry about an uneducated future that lacks professionals in certain fields. My Chemistry teacher was at LEAST 90 years old. Are you kidding me? The guy can barely carry his textbook, let alone have the memory and voice to teach a 50 student college Chemistry class.
The problem with teaching is specific teachers make good salaries. Professors all make decent salaries though. What this equates too is a poor education system up to high school, in some areas. When they get to college they are severely under prepared and get bogged by the huge change. Not only is there a major schedule change from middle school to the college block style, the course difficulty is horrendous.

I agree with making you do some minor bio and chem for computer science though, maybe the intro classes but that's it. They aren't hard classes and shouldn't be overwhelming. The problem with computer science and engineering is the math. We get taught math in school but it's not nearly as hard as the math we get taught in college. Unless you take AP classes and they have good teachers. AP physics vs College Physics is normally a huge leap, people aren't prepared to take that. You HAVE to know your math inside and out, it is the largest building blocks in those fields.

I could go on and on about our problems in teaching and what subjects need work. We need a large re-structuring of how we teach our children and how we go about teaching them. My mom was a teacher though, I was on the up and up when all the changes actually occurred. Like the "Chicago Math" that was set up, I don't remember if it was a failure or if it was the better system. Either way we need to adopt a new system but not just math. I also hated the idea of "No Child Left Behind" tactics. That was the WORST idea ever created, another reason why I despised bush.

Arg, there I go again. LOL
Current Rig
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 4.6GHz@1.44v GA-990FXA-UD3 R4.0 HD 7950 (1100/1450) 8G Muskin DDR3 1866@8CLS 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1TB WD LiteOn DVD-RW DL Linux/Windows 19" Phillips TV 1080p 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
OCZ 600W Generic Junk Logitech MX400 Generic Junk 
Audio
SBL 5.1 
  hide details  
Reply
Current Rig
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 4.6GHz@1.44v GA-990FXA-UD3 R4.0 HD 7950 (1100/1450) 8G Muskin DDR3 1866@8CLS 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
1TB WD LiteOn DVD-RW DL Linux/Windows 19" Phillips TV 1080p 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
OCZ 600W Generic Junk Logitech MX400 Generic Junk 
Audio
SBL 5.1 
  hide details  
Reply
post #80 of 341
Thread Starter 
Well as I've said it before,the problem is in schools,not in college in my point of view, kids at a very young age should have an integrated training to develop their mathematical comprehension and skill.I've seen how the School network fails in U.S and other parts of the world.
Because of this kids are not well prepared to enter college. The people have to study alot more to understand things that you were supposed to know before that.

College is also a place where a person makes a compromise to learn and graduate as a good profesional,unfortunately college very often is seen as a place to drink booze hang with girls and have fun ALL the time.

U.S School education system needs a reform,and professors should have a degree in teaching or something for college and also for schools,there are way bad teachers out there.
Edited by Eduardv - 5/22/11 at 8:03am
Black Dragon
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2600k @ 4.3 GHZ ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 (PCI-E 3.0, USB 3.0, B... EVGA GTX 580 1.5 GB GDDR5 G.SKILL Ripjaws X ( 4 x 2GB) @ 1866 MHZ 8-9-8-2... 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex 3 MAX IOPS 120 GB Firmware 2.21 Noctua NH-D14 Windows 8.1 X64 Alienware Optx AW2310 (1920 x 1080p) 120 HZ 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 Corsair AX850 PLUS GOLD Certified Silverstone FT02B-W Razer Deathadder 3500 DPi 
Mouse Pad
Steel Series QCK+ 
  hide details  
Reply
Black Dragon
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2600k @ 4.3 GHZ ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 (PCI-E 3.0, USB 3.0, B... EVGA GTX 580 1.5 GB GDDR5 G.SKILL Ripjaws X ( 4 x 2GB) @ 1866 MHZ 8-9-8-2... 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex 3 MAX IOPS 120 GB Firmware 2.21 Noctua NH-D14 Windows 8.1 X64 Alienware Optx AW2310 (1920 x 1080p) 120 HZ 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 Corsair AX850 PLUS GOLD Certified Silverstone FT02B-W Razer Deathadder 3500 DPi 
Mouse Pad
Steel Series QCK+ 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Technology and Science News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Technology and Science News › [CNN] Why would-be engineers end up as English majors