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Yup, it isn't just us. It's a world social problem! I believe it has to do with the fields moving to higher based math and the schools not adjusting to teach their kids. Not just math, I should say they are moving to more and more advanced and specific fields. The schools should adjust to teach things quicker and more to the point.
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Haha, oh, the irony I'm actually a would-be English major (finishing up 2nd year out of 4 atm), but I'm seriously considering dropping out and choosing something to do with IT I already have an IT-related part-time job, so that's a step into the right direction.

I guess what really matters is what you want to do during your life. I only chose English because I was fairly good at it, but I've recently realized my foolishness. While it's true that it's easier to breeze through such subjects, there's no point in choosing them if you're not really into them, since you still need to put in some effort. If you end up not bothering to, it sooner or later catches up with you. I experienced that firsthand last semester, when I failed one class, haha
Regarding the quality of studies, I've encountered my share of useless classes and stuck-up teachers too. For example, the teacher, who taught us Academic Writing during the first year, would mark the instances where I used inversion as mistakes, and would not pay heed to any of my explanations
I think such things are unavoidable no matter what you decide to study, it's just easier to persevere if you like the subject.
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I've taught enough to say that 90% of students (yes in US) are nothing but a lazy bums. With their attitude they expect to get good grades just because they pay tuition but to honestly work for the grade is nowhere on their 'to do list'.
Cheers to those that dont whine and actually STUDY

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Yup, it isn't just us. It's a world social problem! I believe it has to do with the fields moving to higher based math and the schools not adjusting to teach their kids. Not just math, I should say they are moving to more and more advanced and specific fields. The schools should adjust to teach things quicker and more to the point.
Please, do tell me how teachers are supposed to teach faster and to the point if the student doesnt give a damn about learning but only about the grade?
Edited by mechati - 5/22/11 at 8:13am
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I've taught enough to say that 90% of students (yes in US) are nothing but a lazy bums. With their attitude they expect to get good grades just because they pay tuition but to honestly work for the grade is nowhere on their 'to do list'.
Cheers to those that dont whine and actually STUDY
+1 cheers mate.

Besides that,the U.S education system should provide their students with better comprehensive traning on mathematics and abstract problem solving.

Many people love science,but comprehension problemns might be a good barrier and make them dropout or change career.
Edited by Eduardv - 5/22/11 at 8:16am
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I've taught enough to say that 90% of students (yes in US) are nothing but a lazy bums. With their attitude they expect to get good grades just because they pay tuition but to honestly work for the grade is nowhere on their 'to do list'.
Cheers to those that dont whine and actually STUDY
Yes, there is another social problem that needs to be addressed with that as well. Statistically the black population has an attitude against learning and integrating with US American culture. Blacks and Latino's seem to have a reluctance to becoming a part of our culture. There are multiple studies that might point to this, as well as multiple Black speakers that talk about their kind very poorly. My favorite is the Cosby speech, where he talks about fellow blacks wanting to be more a part of hiphop culture; They can't properly talk and wear their pants half way down their ass. It's a HUGE problem, as Latino's are also being reported to be one of the largest that are influenced by that culture type.

I know it's not just them, and it's wrong to say it is. It isn't. Though we have tendencies to follow what others are doing, regardless if we know it's not the right thing to do. So if we see others who don't study and don't care we will tend not to study or care. Through social economics this branches out from being a problem to a specific ethnic background to being a problem in all ethnic backgrounds. That's just one small example, there are a lot of examples of why our children aren't doing what they should. =) I also like to study social economics, it's fun.

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Please, do tell me how teachers are supposed to teach faster and to the point if the student doesnt give a damn about learning but only about the grade?
You need to re-design the education system, they need to be able to learn the most they can at the earliest levels. We know kids can learn Pre-Calc by the beginning of High School, or at least Algebra II. ALL (most) kids can do that, if they can't and they fail a class they fail. Failed credits don't go towards passing the grade and so they have to re-do the grades (Grade 5, 6, ect..). We need more strict discipline and higher expectations for them. Eventually through example they will start to learn that life sucks and it's tough, you need to study. The kids who don't learn or don't want to learn get an option, drop out till they do (want to learn).

I also believe that we should allow people to drop out before 18. If they don't want to learn they shouldn't be in the class to waste the teacher's time. We pay millions of money in taxes to teach people who don't want to be taught. That's fine, they can drop out and get a job. We should make it easier for a 14yr old to get a job. Eventually you'll start to see some pretty terrible and messed up crap going on, that will be the motivation/reality that we would be able to use to motivate kids. It's terrible but what can you do, economically we can't keep doing this. (Essentially it will become an example; You don't want to end up like Billy did do you? Do your homework.)
Edited by mushroomboy - 5/22/11 at 8:32am
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I am going to have to take Trigonometry for the third time next semester. The professor my first time didn't even care about us and continuously yelled at us for being "lazy". She barely even taught the class as it was. I guarantee you that class had at least an 80% drop/failure rate. The second professor I had actually cared about the class but wasn't too great at teaching. Once the Trig Identities hit the entire class took a dive.

These higher level courses are very tough courses and should not be taken lightly. We need confident teachers teaching these courses or we will continue to see our science graduate base decrease.
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I'm a sophomore EE student at Drexel, on a 5-year program. Words of wisdom:

If you can't hack a 3.0+ your freshman year in engineering, switch majors. You won't make it. Seriously it's just calculus, basic physics, and some chemistry. You're got differential equations and labs for your major ahead. People with the mindset of "ah I can pull it together next term" are the first to fail.

Once you start courses for your major (around your sophomore year) get used to getting 50's and 60's as your exam grades, this term there was never a passing grade for a class average. Your professors will curve the hell out of everything so don't even bother try to calculate what your final grade will be.

If you get an American professor who isn't 85 years old (and thus still out of the loop with modern styles of teaching, etc.) any time in your freshman or sophomore year, consider yourself lucky.

If this scares you away from the major, honestly it's a good thing. It's really difficult (and this a forum for nerds, so don't take that lightly) and it's important to weigh the salary against the aggravation of the work and the very real possibility that you might not actually get the degree. I know I'm in that boat--if my Circuits class doesn't get curved about the best grade I can walk away with is a D, and that requires me doing very well on the final.
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I graduated last semester with a degree in electrical engineering from Purdue University. I was told the same "Look to your left and your right. One of them will not be in engineering by the end of the semester." during my semester there. This is true because the number of people that stayed in engineering was reduced by about 43% by the time I graduated. There was an article run in the school newspaper regarding that.

Engineering is hard. When I hear some liberal arts major complain about writing a paper every month or so until 2AM in the morning, I want to smack them with a 5 pound engineering book. Engineering homework assignments regularly take 6 hours or more and take until 3-4AM to finish. Do this every other night for four years. That's what engineering is. Liberal arts doesn't even compare.

Not many people cut it. Those that do certainly move on to be really good engineers. Those that don't go into psychology, management, and technology. There's a lot of people that start out in ECE who end up in ECET (electrical and computer engineering technology which is not nearly as math intensive and is more building/testing than design). There's also a lot of people who start out in computer science and end up in computer information technology. I've work with several CompSci as well as ECE dropouts who ended up in CIT or CGT. If you can't persist, then you're not going to do well.
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You're not in the US. You don't know what our schools are like. Trust me, it's worse here.
Yup. The American system is haphazard and doesn't really serve the interests of anyone.

1) Professors are expected to do recruitment...even if there aren't desirable qualified applicants in some fields. In my field I've seen this. So they take what they can get, or they get in trouble from admin bureaucrats.

2) K-12 kids are expected to get a 4-year degree whether they actually need/want one or not. Otherwise you'll be a deadbeat.

3) K-12 kids come to college without basic life skills...nevermind a clue how to write academic papers. Most are incredibly lucky to be able to write a 5-paragraph essay.

4) K-12 kids expect college to be like a sitcom on TV where they don't have to study and can party all the time.

5) Most colleges/universities put graduation rates ahead of student learning. They want students out ____ or high water in 4 years. Regardless of what this does to the credit load each semester. Kids have to come in and be out in 4 years or else.


The only people who've really benefited from all this are the banks. Who have LOTS of students massively in debt, who don't have job prospects.
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