Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles › [WCCF]AMD Bulldozer (Zambezi-FX) Specifications Leaked by Asus
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[WCCF]AMD Bulldozer (Zambezi-FX) Specifications Leaked by Asus - Page 19

post #181 of 222
Octa-core for $320.. I want one!
post #182 of 222
Quote:
Originally Posted by maik View Post
My reply was rhetorical, sorry for the misunderstanding. Both being on the market means nothing when comparing performance, the fact still stands that K10 is based off an ancient architecture; with this in mind how is it fair comparing Intel's newest offerings that also retails for twice as much? The comparison shouldn't have been brought up in the first place, whether it was by you or someone else.
It's not inherently unfair because it's older/slower. Those are the processors AMD is currently selling, why would we not compare them to Intel?

When BD is released we can compare it to Intel's current offerings. Will that be unfair because SB is several months old? Of course not.
post #183 of 222
Quote:
Originally Posted by maik View Post
My reply was rhetorical, sorry for the misunderstanding. Both being on the market means nothing when comparing performance, the fact still stands that K10 is based off an ancient architecture; with this in mind how is it fair comparing Intel's newest offerings that also retails for twice as much? The comparison shouldn't have been brought up in the first place, whether it was by you or someone else.
Then you're still ignoring the word of the day; CONTEXT. I corrected a comment that WAS COMPARING the Denebs with SBs.

If it were me, I would have compared it to Thuban. Since I only mentioned single threaded performance, my previous statement still stands. SB is potentially 50% faster in single threaded scenarios. That is a HUGE difference.

They're priced directly against one another, so don't complain about the price.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceman23 View Post
It's not inherently unfair because it's older/slower. Those are the processors AMD is currently selling, why would we not compare them to Intel?

When BD is released we can compare it to Intel's current offerings. Will that be unfair because SB is several months old? Of course not.
Exactly this.

Just what CPUs would you prefer me to compare them to? Should we just ignore comparisons altogether because AMD is (according to you) late to market? Performance means nothing when making a purchase, amirite?
Why upgrade?
(14 items)
 
Why overclock?!
(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5 760 ASUS 55i Sabertooth EVGA 960 4GB 8gb 1600mhz Vengeance 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
120gb Intel 320 (OS) 500gb Samsung 850 Evo Win 7 64 Viewsonic VX2250-Wm 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Seasonic G 550w Gold Lancool PC-K9B Logitech G5 X-Fi Titanium/AT-H700 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5 4690k Asus Z97 Sabertooth mk2 EVGA 970 8gb Kingston 1833mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
128GB Samsung 830 500GB Samsung 840 Evo allota fans but quiet! Win 7 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2311H Rev. A01 Mechanical w/ Cherry Blues NZXT Hale 650w NZXT Phantom - white 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Anker CG100 Steelseries 9HD Sennheiser HD555 
  hide details  
Reply
Why upgrade?
(14 items)
 
Why overclock?!
(15 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5 760 ASUS 55i Sabertooth EVGA 960 4GB 8gb 1600mhz Vengeance 
Hard DriveHard DriveOSMonitor
120gb Intel 320 (OS) 500gb Samsung 850 Evo Win 7 64 Viewsonic VX2250-Wm 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
Seasonic G 550w Gold Lancool PC-K9B Logitech G5 X-Fi Titanium/AT-H700 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5 4690k Asus Z97 Sabertooth mk2 EVGA 970 8gb Kingston 1833mhz 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
128GB Samsung 830 500GB Samsung 840 Evo allota fans but quiet! Win 7 64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell U2311H Rev. A01 Mechanical w/ Cherry Blues NZXT Hale 650w NZXT Phantom - white 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Anker CG100 Steelseries 9HD Sennheiser HD555 
  hide details  
Reply
post #184 of 222
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceman23 View Post
It's not inherently unfair because it's older/slower. Those are the processors AMD is currently selling, why would we not compare them to Intel?

When BD is released we can compare it to Intel's current offerings. Will that be unfair because SB is several months old? Of course not.
You're correct in that it's not inherently unfair because of being older, but that along with the price to performance ratio makes it quite unfair, I won't explain further as it's common sense.


SB itself is months old but the architecture itself is new, just as BD is; it would be completely valid to compare similar chips, but comparing K10 to SB is just ridiculous.
post #185 of 222
Quote:
Originally Posted by pursuinginsanity View Post
Then you're still ignoring the word of the day; CONTEXT. I corrected a comment that WAS COMPARING the Denebs with SBs.

If it were me, I would have compared it to Thuban. Since I only mentioned single threaded performance, my previous statement still stands. SB is potentially 50% faster in single threaded scenarios. That is a HUGE difference.

They're priced directly against one another, so don't complain about the price.



Exactly this.

Just what CPUs would you prefer me to compare them to? Should we just ignore comparisons altogether because AMD is (according to you) late to market? Performance means nothing when making a purchase, amirite?
Actually you're the one who took his words out of context; he said the price and performance, you focused soley on performance and said nothing about the difference in price.


Edit: Sorry about the double post, thought I was editing.
post #186 of 222
Quote:
Originally Posted by maik View Post
You're correct in that it's not inherently unfair because of being older, but that along with the price to performance ratio makes it quite unfair, I won't explain further as it's common sense.


SB itself is months old but the architecture itself is new, just as BD is; it would be completely valid to compare similar chips, but comparing K10 to SB is just ridiculous.
There is no fair/unfair here - I don't disagree that AMD hold the price/performance advantage at the lower end. Does that mean I shouldn't compare Intel's lower priced chips to AMDs because they have a worse price/performance ratio? OF COURSE NOT. That's that whole point of comparison in the first place.

Its complete common sense to compare two products that directly compete with each other, in the same market. You can't include or exclude products because they are inferior or outdated. Again, that is the whole point of comparison - to determine which product is inferior based on a certain comparison metric.
post #187 of 222
I'm interested in the FX-6110. wish it had the speed rating of it. IIRC i saw a slide somewhere that said the 6-core has the same L3 cache as the 8-core version guess we shall see for sure next month. Also, it does seem fair to me to compare say a 2600k and a 8-core FX CPU. They both show up as 8-core when both actually only have 4. Intel uses hyperthreading to make it look like 8 and amd uses "bulldozer" modules contaning 2 interger cores to make a 4 core show up as 8. So IMO its even comparision.
Edited by ShiftedReality - 5/24/11 at 8:23am
SR-PC
(16 items)
 
HP 17-e037cl
(6 items)
 
HP dv7-6c27cl
(8 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 2500k @ 4.5Ghz ASUS P8P67 EVO EVGA Geforce GTX 670 FTW Sig 2 8GB Corsair Vengence DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
120GB Samsung 840 Series (MZ-7TD120) Seagate Barracuda 3TB (ST3000DM001) Corsair H60 w/ 2x Noctua NF-P12 120mm Fans Windows 8 Pro x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell S2440L (VA Panel) Logitech G710+ Seasonic X-750 Corsair 300R 
MouseAudio
Corsair M65 Creative Soundblaster Z (SB1500) 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
AMD A8-5500M AMD Radeon 8550G 8GB DDR3 1600 Seagate 1TB SSHD 
OSMonitor
Windows 8.1 x64 17.3 1600x900 LED 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-2450M @ 2.5Ghz Intel HM65 Express Intel HD Graphics 3000 8GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Toshiba 750GB HP Blu-ray Drive Windows 8 Pro x64 17.3 Brightview LED 1600x900 
  hide details  
Reply
SR-PC
(16 items)
 
HP 17-e037cl
(6 items)
 
HP dv7-6c27cl
(8 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i5 2500k @ 4.5Ghz ASUS P8P67 EVO EVGA Geforce GTX 670 FTW Sig 2 8GB Corsair Vengence DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
120GB Samsung 840 Series (MZ-7TD120) Seagate Barracuda 3TB (ST3000DM001) Corsair H60 w/ 2x Noctua NF-P12 120mm Fans Windows 8 Pro x64 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Dell S2440L (VA Panel) Logitech G710+ Seasonic X-750 Corsair 300R 
MouseAudio
Corsair M65 Creative Soundblaster Z (SB1500) 
CPUGraphicsRAMHard Drive
AMD A8-5500M AMD Radeon 8550G 8GB DDR3 1600 Seagate 1TB SSHD 
OSMonitor
Windows 8.1 x64 17.3 1600x900 LED 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5-2450M @ 2.5Ghz Intel HM65 Express Intel HD Graphics 3000 8GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Toshiba 750GB HP Blu-ray Drive Windows 8 Pro x64 17.3 Brightview LED 1600x900 
  hide details  
Reply
post #188 of 222
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceman23 View Post
There is no fair/unfair here - I don't disagree that AMD hold the price/performance advantage at the lower end. Does that mean I shouldn't compare Intel's lower priced chips to AMDs because they have a worse price/performance ratio? OF COURSE NOT. That's that whole point of comparison in the first place.

Its complete common sense to compare two products that directly compete with each other, in the same market. You can't include or exclude products because they are inferior or outdated. Again, that is the whole point of comparison - to determine which product is inferior based on a certain comparison metric.
Comparing them is pointless because SB is obviously going to trumph by quite a bit, he wanted to do the math which is completely fine but does it really matter at that point? You're paying twice the price, of course it's going to be better, even still you're comparing one of Intel's newest chips to a chip that was made years ago with the architecture being much older than that.
post #189 of 222
Quote:
Originally Posted by maik View Post
Comparing them is pointless because SB is obviously going to trumph by quite a bit, he wanted to do the math which is completely fine but does it really matter at that point? You're paying twice the price, of course it's going to be better, even still you're comparing one of Intel's newest chips to a chip that was made years ago with the architecture being much older than that.
You do realize there are a lot more than 2 chips in the K10 and SB lineups right? You obviously don't understand the concept of comparison so I'll just leave it at that.
post #190 of 222
Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceman23 View Post
You do realize there are a lot more than 2 chips in the K10 and SB lineups right? You obviously don't understand the concept of comparison so I'll just leave it at that.
You're talking about comparison in general, we've been talking about the comparison between 965 and 2500K after the math from pursuinginsanity.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles › [WCCF]AMD Bulldozer (Zambezi-FX) Specifications Leaked by Asus