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post #21 of 30
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Originally Posted by Asmodean;13606820 
Ok you clearly can't read.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2009/10/06/samsung-spinpoint-f3-1tb-review/6

I'm not sure you should be telling anyone they can't read..

The 2tb model would be *noticeably* FASTER not SLOWER like you're claiming. With HDDs (and SSDs) larger = faster, within the same family.

The WD Black 1tb has slightly faster access times (mid 12ms vs mid 13ms for F3) but the F3 has slightly faster sequential read/write speeds than the WD Black.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-hard-drive-charts/h2benchw-3.12-Max-Read-Throughput,1009.html See how the F3 is ahead of even the 2tb model?

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-hard-drive-charts/h2benchw-3.12-Read-Access-Time,1007.html Now see how the Black has slightly better access times?

Seriously, though, please stop spreading misinformation claiming the larger drives = slower.
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I'm not sure you should be telling anyone they can't read..

The 2tb model would be *noticeably* FASTER not SLOWER like you're claiming. With HDDs (and SSDs) larger = faster, within the same family.

The WD Black 1tb has slightly faster access times (mid 12ms vs mid 13ms for F3) but the F3 has slightly faster sequential read/write speeds than the WD Black.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-hard-drive-charts/h2benchw-3.12-Max-Read-Throughput,1009.html See how the F3 is ahead of even the 2tb model?

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-hard-drive-charts/h2benchw-3.12-Read-Access-Time,1007.html Now see how the Black has slightly better access times?

Seriously, though, please stop spreading misinformation claiming the larger drives = slower.

Your linking a completely different benchmark, the whole point of the comment about not being able to read was,

That he asked me to read the previous benchmark again..which i did, and it was showing the WD with higher read/writes. If your going to Butt in, at least read the previous comments before-hand.
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post #23 of 30
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Originally Posted by Asmodean;13607261 
Your linking a completely different benchmark, the whole point of the comment about not being able to read was,

That he asked me to read the previous benchmark again..which i did, and it was showing the WD with higher read/writes. If your going to Butt in, at least read the previous comments before-hand.

Look, I have already said twice before that I KNOW the WD black has faster access times, which correlates with faster random reads. But I have never talked about random reads, I'm talking about sequential read and writes (which is what matters for a mechanical hard drive). If you want really fast access times and random reads, you get an SSD. Fast sequential with storage for large files, you get a mechanical. If you notice, the pages I linked you to were for sequential, so obviously that is what I was talking about, and the specs I pulled out in comparison were of sequentials.

Stop trying to twist the evidence to make it as if you're right that the WD black is 'faster', when you never said anything about random reads, whereas I responded with sequential read and write benchmarks, where the F3 is clearly faster. If I was talking about that, I would have linked you to those benchmarks, which are on a different page!
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Originally Posted by AliceInChains;13598103 
I guess Im kind of biased when it comes to hard drives because I have always like western digital the best. The one thing the caviar black has that the samsungs don't, is the 5 year warranty.

And the best RMA service on Earth. It's funny how many F3 fanboys there are on this site, what's funnier is the horror stories I read about Samsung RMA.

WD RMA is awesome.
post #25 of 30
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Originally Posted by Scorpii;13607963 
Look, I have already said twice before that I KNOW the WD black has faster access times, which correlates with faster random reads. But I have never talked about random reads, I'm talking about sequential read and writes (which is what matters for a mechanical hard drive). If you want really fast access times and random reads, you get an SSD. Fast sequential with storage for large files, you get a mechanical. If you notice, the pages I linked you to were for sequential, so obviously that is what I was talking about, and the specs I pulled out in comparison were of sequentials.

Stop trying to twist the evidence to make it as if you're right that the WD black is 'faster', when you never said anything about random reads, whereas I responded with sequential read and write benchmarks, where the F3 is clearly faster. If I was talking about that, I would have linked you to those benchmarks, which are on a different page!

Err, you didn't link any pages to me lol, how am i 'twisting the evidence? you provided no evidence to twist lol.

If you go back and look, i was saying initally 'from my own experience with both the drives' and i gave my opinion, never mentioned to buy either one of them lol, then you mentioned to me that, "all" benchmarks are saying quite the opposite, then i linked you a random benchmark i found with the WD in the lead for most of it. To prove a point of what benchmarks are really worth.

Tbf i did say this would be pointless. Might as well start an Nvidia vs AMD thread for the same results lol
post #26 of 30
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Originally Posted by Asmodean;13608633 
Err, you didn't link any pages to me lol, how am i 'twisting the evidence? you provided no evidence to twist lol.

Go and have a look at post #15 in this thread
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Originally Posted by Asmodean;13608633 
If you go back and look, i was saying initally 'from my own experience with both the drives' and i gave my opinion, never mentioned to buy either one of them lol, then you mentioned to me that, "all" benchmarks are saying quite the opposite, then i linked you a random benchmark i found with the WD in the lead for most of it. To prove a point of what benchmarks are really worth.

The benchmark you linked me shows that random access times are good (as I said), with correspondingly good random reads. However, when referring to which mechanical hard drive is 'faster', it's usual to be talking about sequential speeds, as that is what makes a real world difference for mechanical hard drives. You almost certainly won't notice the difference between a slow acces time and a slightly slower access time (say 10.5ms vs 13ms), especially compared to an SSD. However, you will notice if a file transfer takes 5 minutes vs 6 minutes.
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Tbf i did say this would be pointless. Might as well start an Nvidia vs AMD thread for the same results lol

It's not the same; you said the WD blacks are faster than the F3's, which for the OP's uses is misinformation, as in real world experience the F3 is faster. I refuted your point, and you then claimed I can't read, despite the evidence in the pages of the reviews I linked you to showing the F3 with a clear lead in performance for sequential reads and writes.
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Go and have a look at post #15 in this thread



The benchmark you linked me shows that random access times are good (as I said), with correspondingly good random reads. However, when referring to which mechanical hard drive is 'faster', it's usual to be talking about sequential speeds, as that is what makes a real world difference for mechanical hard drives. You almost certainly won't notice the difference between a slow acces time and a slightly slower access time (say 10.5ms vs 13ms), especially compared to an SSD. However, you will notice if a file transfer takes 5 minutes vs 6 minutes.



It's not the same; you said the WD blacks are faster than the F3's, which for the OP's uses is misinformation, as in real world experience the F3 is faster. I refuted your point, and you then claimed I can't read, despite the evidence in the pages of the reviews I linked you to showing the F3 with a clear lead in performance for sequential reads and writes.
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Go and have a look at post #15 in this thread

You linked that to some other fella commenting, i concur that you linked me nothing, when you were clearly replying to somebody else.

And again i repeat that you clearly said 'all' benchmarks are saying quite the opposite of the opinion i gave, which was only an opinion, im my own experience that the WD was faster of the two, having owned both at some stage. But you were having none of it because benchmarks say otherwise, so linked you one that disagrees lol get over it..
post #28 of 30
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Originally Posted by Scorpii;13604290 
Got any benchmarks to prove this?

Comparing benchmarks from the Samsung F3 and WD Black, both with HDTach for reads and HD Tune for writes:

Samsung: Average Read 124.8, Average Write 96.7, Burst Speed (reading): 258.9
WD: Average Read 96.9, Average Write 88.1, Burst Speed (reading): 238.5
Until reads/writes increase beyond about 1MB, most a drive's time reading/writing is actually spent seeking.

Even with lower average read/write, cutting the seek time has the biggest impact.

I could present you with some charts if you're interested in continuing this thread. Synthetic benchmarks aside, WD Blacks are faster in real-world use and multitasking. But F3's definitely look good, and you can't beat them for the price.
     
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Originally Posted by Kramy;13616364 
Until reads/writes increase beyond about 1MB, most a drive's time reading/writing is actually spent seeking.

Even with lower average read/write, cutting the seek time has the biggest impact.

I could present you with some charts if you're interested in continuing this thread. Synthetic benchmarks aside, WD Blacks are faster in real-world use and multitasking. But F3's definitely look good, and you can't beat them for the price.

No I believe you about the random reads and writes being faster on the WD Blacks, but I have always been talking about sequentials. I suppose the issue is what you define as 'real world' usage.

I know that for me, having large files transfer quickly and things like opening large images (which can be ~20MB of sequential data), and I do a fair bit of zipping and unzipping large files and ISOs, all of which benefit from the faster sequential performance. To be honest, if a word document takes 0.7 seconds instead of 0.9 seconds to open, I won't really notice it. But I will notice if a file transfer takes 2 minutes instead of 2.5 minutes.
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Sounds like for your use, you'd see quite good scaling from F3's in RAID-0.

My most prominent use would be waiting for Firefox to open - somewhere the Blacks definitely have an edge. wink.gif
     
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