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post #11 of 37
Well with custom loops their is much more variety, hence the word custom, so I don't think this applies to all custom loops.
And you can cool your GPU or even your ram with a custom loop.

I think one of the main advantages of a custom loops is it makes your PC look pretty powerful, especially if you have some cool lighting or coloring going on.
    
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its probably a shill 'article'
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post #13 of 37
120mm rad, block and pump VS. 240mm rad, block and pump all factors equal the 240 will win prettymuch every time. They definitely screwed it up.
They should also have tested it above 4.2-4.5 because that's where the extra cooling capability of the bigger rad will actually matter.
Besides if I watercooled a 990X and only got 3.6 out of it there'd be people queuing up at my door to kick the crap out of me... And I'd be in the queue...
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Haha yeah I definitely understand all your concerns, and their testing methodology is undoubtedly flawed. However, I don't want this to devolve into bashing of CPU magazine, I was hoping to use this article as a catalyst for our own tests here at ocn. I for one would want to conclusively know in which case a custom loop better than a sealed one.
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Haha yeah I definitely understand all your concerns, and their testing methodology is undoubtedly flawed. However, I don't want this to devolve into bashing of CPU magazine, I was hoping to use this article as a catalyst for our own tests here at ocn. I for one would want to conclusively know in which case a custom loop better than a sealed one.
As a subscriber, I really question them. In the last couple of issues, they've been recommending the poop that is Big Bang Marshall and Sapph Pure Black boards. It's like they're getting paid and didn't actually test these piles.

As for the loops, it's physics, the 240 has more rad thus more physical cooling, all things aside.
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I saw a similar article in another magazine but with the H70. In that review they used a thick 360 radiator with low speed Yates and were like blah blah blah custom loops suck.
    
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Oh...my...that is such poor practice...

How much do you want to bet the custom system used fans of less than half the speed compared to the marketed system or tested at completely different ambient levels?

Any review that doesn't at least report ambient temperatures and the products used (in detail) in a comparison is not worth reading.

Sealed vs Custom is like saying blue vs red. It all comes down to parts, and if you don't compare like parts, you are doing an apples to oranges comparison. Custom does not necessarily mean better either, it's all what is contained in the "Custom" system.

Custom could mean a modern block, or it could mean one design 5 years ago, or a slab of copper with a barb soldered to each end. Custom could mean 3000RPM fans, or 500 RPM fans. Custom could mean....anything you want.

Very likely the "Custom" setup used something like 500RPM fans while the sealed system used something capable of 1800+RPM and it was push pull on top of that.

Next time use the exact same fans and same fan condition.
    
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post #18 of 37
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Thanks for all the input so far...
I'm sure there are many ways that the people reviewing could have put together a loop incorrectly in order to obtain the results they wanted. But, why do we have to assume that they tampered with the results? Why couldn't their conclusion come from a legitimate test? At this point, we are letting our personal views cloud our impression of their conclusions.

Are there any apples to apples reviews of All-in-one WC kits vs. Custom kits out there? If not, I think it would be a good project for us OCN'ers to gather up data about WC kits.

From this data, we could draw several important conclusions:
-Cheapest custom WC kit that can match or beat H*0/Kuhler series
- $/degree for both
- At what point is it not worth going custom (purely from the perspective of temps, I'm not debating the merits of custom such as expandability, aesthetics etc.)

Would people be interested in such a data table, as a contributor or interested party? If so, what kind of parameters should we look for (obvious ones are: Temperature (RealTemp screenshot), WC Equipment(rad, pump, fans, block) & Processor (should probably settle on a specific type, voltage, and OC))?

EDIT: What is the most common proc to WC/ good voltage and OC for it? (Maybe i7 920 @ 1.35V, 4.0GHz?)
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post #19 of 37
I can't help but imagine that they got the input and output ports in the block confused. That would be funny. This kind of reminds me when Maximum PC made that loop with a VL-3N quick dissconect on the input and output of every component. Yeah, sayin that 1/2 tubing is so much better for performance when you do something like that is kinda dumb.

Sealed loops often lose to high end air coolers, so this wouldn't make any sense at all. There are so many boneheaded mistakes you can make while picking a system that I wouldn't worry about it.
    
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It's an advertisement. Look at the fine print on the bottom.

There needs to be some kind of agency validating these ad claims.
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