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post #21 of 37
can't see this possible.. i bet its biased because i see those antec closed loop cooler adds on like every other page in the new cpu magainze
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I will not be buying close loop ever again. The Corsair H50 is good for its purpose in my experience, but ***, watercooling is so much addictive. now I want to watercool each and every part of my computer.
    
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It's an advertisement. Look at the fine print on the bottom.

There needs to be some kind of agency validating these ad claims.
+rep, Haha Nice catch! I can't believe I didn't see that before!
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a custom loop is so much better!......i only have closed loops for now due to $$$ once im good, back to custom loops for sure!
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I honestly would never purchase a magazine again if it allowed an article like that to slip through.. Placing "advertisement" in small gray print doesn't do nearly enough to denote how incredibly dubious the tests performed in the article are.

I don't even see why a company would need to bother resorting to such incredibly shady tactics in the first place - All that does is create misinformation and dissatisfied customers in the long run. I bought my Coolit Eco R120 fully knowing that it's performance would be less than many air coolers and far lower than a single rad custom loop. It's easy mounting system, compact design, and decent aesthetics were more than enough to sell me.

If I had of purchased the coolit r120 off an advertisement that claimed it performed better than a custom loop, I'd have been sold because I didn't know much of anything at the time.. The problem would have come when I started looking for more performance. In my case, I would have become completely disillusioned with coolit, and at worst would have written scathing reviews and did my best to dissuade others from purchasing their product.

Most people will likely never question the performance of a decent sealed loop, but it is still unethical to basically lie to customers to move more products.

tl;dr: sealed units have enough inherently good points without the need for incredibly biased testing
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Well, my H70 cooled my CPU about the same as my custom loop.

On the other hand, my loop has a video card on it, lol. So, I guess that's a few hundred more watts to cool and not much of a comparison.

Really, I think the "all-in-one" solutions are good. On the other hand, you have to be aware that you can't upgrade to add in GPUs, mosfets, etc. You also don't have the option of adding more radiator in order to run your fans on lower RPM; or replacing the pump; or, playing with different parts.

It all depends on what you want. If you're looking to tinker and perhaps cool more components then build your own loop. If you're into a decent, quick solution then get the integrated solution.
    
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It's an advertisement. Look at the fine print on the bottom.

There needs to be some kind of agency validating these ad claims.
Did not notice the fine print until after homestyle mentioned it but I kept thinking the article looks more like a full page add then a side by side comparison of water cooling products.

As for fan speeds I picked up 6 degrees c. when I switched my Scythe UK 2000's out for some Triebwerk 1200 rpm fans on a BI extreme III, needless to say the UK's are back in place
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post #28 of 37
I let my subscription to CPU mag drop a year ago due to this kind of stuff. They seem to have a love affair with Danger Den and talk about how awesome their stuff is. Then you research the DD stuff and it is ok performance for premium price. Never do they even mention companies like EK, Aquacomputer, Phobya, Feser, XSPC, or Koolance.

I have also notice both them and Maximum PC make these crazy claims about performance on everything from MoBo's, to ram, to PSU's, and botique rigs where they say new product X blows old (by 3 months) product y out of the water but then show the numbers and it is like 1 FPS, or .5 seconds difference.

I am sure an XSPC Rasa kit, Swiftech kit, or a custom loop would smoke that product. Like Martin said, not nearly enough info to really make a comparison. I work in sales and you can make any set of number say whatever you want.
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Did not notice the fine print until after homestyle mentioned it but I kept thinking the article looks more like a full page add then a side by side comparison of water cooling products.

As for fan speeds I picked up 6 degrees c. when I switched my Scythe UK 2000's out for some Triebwerk 1200 rpm fans on a BI extreme III, needless to say the UK's are back in place
the triebwerk are awesome fans! the best fans for the BI extreme are the UK. get the 3k's and there is not a rad on the market that will beat that rad! you will have to deal with the noise though. I loved my BI extreme but it was way too loud with the UK's. I have owned feser, thermochill and swiftech rads and the BI was the best out of all of them. that was with 3k uk's remember. now i prefer swiftech rads with triebwerk medium speed fans.
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120mm rad, block and pump VS. 240mm rad, block and pump all factors equal the 240 will win prettymuch every time. They definitely screwed it up.
They should also have tested it above 4.2-4.5 because that's where the extra cooling capability of the bigger rad will actually matter.
Besides if I watercooled a 990X and only got 3.6 out of it there'd be people queuing up at my door to kick the crap out of me... And I'd be in the queue...
This.

I have the H50 and as much as I like it I think that it's holding me back. Can't keep a stable 4Ghz clock to save my life. Oh it runs well enough at 4Ghz; but I can't Fold and Prime95 just plonks the hell out of it. I run stable at 3.8 doing anything I want to it. Just not 4Ghz.

I'm planning my loop right now actually. Also that loop tested in the advertisement was probably a single fan Radiator. Like for like. Who the hell builds their CPU loop with a single stage Radiator? Most people here are runing 240 or 360 high flows. I plan on running a 420(3x140) radiator. I guarantee that Antec wouldn't begin to come close to the temps a person should get from that.

I have the issue btw and it's not an ad. Though it certainly comes off like one. Just looked it over and it's supposed to be a 240 they compared against. As pointed out however that's a relatively light OC.

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