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Its so happens that I own a pair of SuperZeros. You will need to pair them with a subwoofer, crossed at about 120hz. Below that, and the roll off will begin. 3 DB at 85hz is even barely audible.

Regarding receivers, one aspect that will forever stain Onkyo is its customer service. I have never had to RMA one of their products, but I have heard lots of horrible stories from avsforums, avforums and even Amazon reviews.

And I doubt you will here any differences in the sound quality. Each manufacture has its own unique personality, ie: Denons tend to sound warmer, Yamaha sounds brighter, etc.

In the end, I suggest you should audit a couple of receivers before you buy. Head on over to a local speaker shop, or a Best Buy and test them out yourself.

If you want something that has the best room calibration, Denon wins in this department. For the best 2 channel receiver, HK or Marantz. For the best price/feature ratio, Onkyo is the best.
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Originally Posted by HybridCore;13617669 
^Is there any noticeable sound quality difference? There might be some since the power output might be different.

It's always like that. Which is exactly why they have a warranty, return policy, and rma! tongue.gif

No difference. The new receiver is capable of driving them to higher SPL though.
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And I doubt you will here any differences in the sound quality. Each manufacture has its own unique personality, ie: Denons tend to sound warmer, Yamaha sounds brighter, etc.

No. Level matched and not using any kind of dsp or whatever, they will sound the same.
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If you want something that has the best room calibration, Denon wins in this department. For the best 2 channel receiver, HK or Marantz. For the best price/feature ratio, Onkyo is the best.

There's no "best" anything. Both denon and onkyo use audyssey, so that's going to be the same. Depending on what price point you are looking at, you'll be getting 2eq/multieq/multieq xt/multieq xt32 in whatever receiver, and a less or more capable version in another receiver. Yamaha has YPAO, Pioneer has MCACC, Anthem has ARC, and there are probably a few more. Some people like one more than the others, some people dislike using any of them.

I'll refrain from commenting on the 2 channel receiver part since I don't particularly care.

The price/feature ratio is also debatable - my yamaha rx-v667 was the only receiver in it's price range that had preouts. That's what mattered to me. Others might want more hdmi inputs, they might want audyssey, or they might want more legacy inputs.
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I'll try Best Buy but the last time I checked, I was pretty sure they didn't sell receivers here. Does Guitar Center have any? I know they have headphones and stuff but I don't know about receivers. I kind of wish I was in Calafornia. I wish a Fry's were here. Microcenter would have been nice too. frown.gif
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Guitar center doesn't sell that sort of audio equip
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No difference. The new receiver is capable of driving them to higher SPL though.



No. Level matched and not using any kind of dsp or whatever, they will sound the same.



There's no "best" anything. Both denon and onkyo use audyssey, so that's going to be the same. Depending on what price point you are looking at, you'll be getting 2eq/multieq/multieq xt/multieq xt32 in whatever receiver, and a less or more capable version in another receiver. Yamaha has YPAO, Pioneer has MCACC, Anthem has ARC, and there are probably a few more. Some people like one more than the others, some people dislike using any of them.

I'll refrain from commenting on the 2 channel receiver part since I don't particularly care.

The price/feature ratio is also debatable - my yamaha rx-v667 was the only receiver in it's price range that had preouts. That's what mattered to me. Others might want more hdmi inputs, they might want audyssey, or they might want more legacy inputs.

Despite what science tells us: solid state amps cannot differentiate "colors", My ears tells me otherwise (subjective listening vs objective).

I have both a Onkyo 805 and I used to own a Denon 2308. To me, the Denon sounds warmer, with higher emphasis on the mids. I auditioned many Denon, Onkyo, Yamaha receivers, and I have always found that Denons generally sounds better for music.

Regards to the second comment, I generally agree because the word "features" is subjective and never objective. You can't take a SPL and measure features tongue.gif

For example: Many entry level Denon receivers offer MultiEQ while this is only a feature available to mid grade Onkyo receivers.
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post #36 of 61
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I'm starting to like Denon even more and more and Onkyo a bit less but not to the point of anti-onkyoism. tongue.gif I think I might go for the Denon. Now which one?
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The Denon AVR-891 is a very good receiver at that price point.
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Okay. Any others? I was looking at the new ones that I linked on the first page. Are they any better or worse?
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I think at this point, for the most part it's going to be down to going and listening to the receivers themselves. You've already got yourself a nice list, adding anymore to this is going to end in you never being able to decide and possibly settling for something you won't be happy with. I personally would start going through your list and decide which has features you don't need and if it costs more than another, write it off. Like that 471, it seems that extra price point on it over the 467 is the 3D sound gimmick.

Like I said for my Yamaha 467, I'm a huge movie nut so I watch alot of blurays, heavy in video games and am always listening to music, mostly heavy metal and stuff like pink floyd and it sounds crystal clear and amazing.

We all can sit here and tell you about our receivers but isn't going to help you decide on what you think is going to sound good

Here's some reviews on mine

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/receivers/yamaha-rx-v467-fl

http://hometheatergears.com/yamaha/yamaha-rx-v467-review/

http://www.trustedreviews.com/Yamaha-RX-V467_Surround-Sound-System_review
Edited by SpykeZ - 5/24/11 at 4:37pm
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Yeah. I kicked Pioneer off the list. That's 4. Marantz is going off because they're expensive but I still like them. Onkyo...meh, it's still on but I'm going for Denon for sure. Yamaha is right behind Denon but I'm getting Denon. I'll probably try Yamaha in the future if they're doing good. Anyways, I'll look for some reviews. I've seen home theater gears and they seem to favor Onkyo a lot.
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