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Originally Posted by PapaSmurf View Post
Still wrong. ALWAYS a full format and NEVER a quick format for 24/7 drives. The only time a quick format should be used is for a temp drive. And it's just as important on an older drive as it is with a new one.
oh .. -_- ... formatting takes toooo long with todays high capacity drives

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A quick format does absolutely nothing to prepare a drive for use. Only a full or complete format will do that and all the chkdsk's etc. in the world can't correct the problems left over from a quick format.
...

A full format does a check of the area the partition is going to use, then does a quick format to set up the filesystem/MFT/etc.

It doesn't erase anything or do anything else to "prepare a drive for use".

You're still better off doing an extended SMART test of the entire drive upon receiving it.
     
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post #13 of 20
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A full format does a check of the area the partition is going to use, then does a quick format to set up the filesystem/MFT/etc.

It doesn't erase anything or do anything else to "prepare a drive for use".

You're still better off doing an extended SMART test of the entire drive upon receiving it.
not any more - since Vista, the full format also zero fills the drive as well as doing the error scan.

But I would disagree about it being required, or even a good idea to perform full formats on any drive. There just isn't any point - there are better data wipe options and better drive test options if either of those are your worry that take the same length of time as a full format but offer better reports on drive health.

And as for repeatedly doing full formats - that is just a waste of time. If you have used a drive and it's healthy, then a proper error scan would be a better use of the time rather than doing the half-arsed full format option that takes as long but won't give the info you need to determine if the drive is healthy or if it needs an RMA.
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ok so I went to disk management and this is what I am seeing



It says the drive is not allocated. So what do I do to fix that?
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post #15 of 20
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ok so I went to disk management and this is what I am seeing



It says the drive is not allocated. So what do I do to fix that?
If I'm not mistaken that means you need to format it.

*edit*
Right click the partition, add new volume > Enter size of volume (should automatically do it) > assign drive letter > choose formatting option/label ect > click finish
Edited by Taylorsci - 5/24/11 at 11:58am
post #16 of 20
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not any more - since Vista, the full format also zero fills the drive as well as doing the error scan.

But I would disagree about it being required, or even a good idea to perform full formats on any drive. There just isn't any point - there are better data wipe options and better drive test options if either of those are your worry that take the same length of time as a full format but offer better reports on drive health.

And as for repeatedly doing full formats - that is just a waste of time. If you have used a drive and it's healthy, then a proper error scan would be a better use of the time rather than doing the half-arsed full format option that takes as long but won't give the info you need to determine if the drive is healthy or if it needs an RMA.
To each his own. I have used the full format method and have found it to be more reliable than the quick format. If you want to see the difference run Victoria on a drive that is having problems with read/write access problems and take a screenshot of the results. Run a complete chkdsk /r on the drive (or any other similar app of your choice) on the drive and retest. Chances are the results will be essentially the same. Now backup that data manually (you can't use something like Acronis or other imaging program for this), do a quick format, restore the data (but keep a copy on the backup drive), and restest. You'll see very little change. Now do a full format of the drive, restore the data, then test again and you'll see a significant difference in the number of sectors with slow read/write speeds compared to before. That tells me conclusively that the Full Format is necessary in more cases than most people realize.
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post #17 of 20
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To each his own. I have used the full format method and have found it to be more reliable than the quick format. If you want to see the difference run Victoria on a drive that is having problems with read/write access problems and take a screenshot of the results. Run a complete chkdsk /r on the drive (or any other similar app of your choice) on the drive and retest. Chances are the results will be essentially the same. Now backup that data manually (you can't use something like Acronis or other imaging program for this), do a quick format, restore the data (but keep a copy on the backup drive), and restest. You'll see very little change. Now do a full format of the drive, restore the data, then test again and you'll see a significant difference in the number of sectors with slow read/write speeds compared to before. That tells me conclusively that the Full Format is necessary in more cases than most people realize.
And I would bet you won't see any differences between your last 2 tests, because the act of copying the large file to the drive will do exactly the same as the full format would. Just forcing the drive to write to a bad sector is enough to get it to remap that sector if required - and a format doesn't do that any more effectively than a file write does. There is nothing a full format can do to a drive that writing new data to that drive will do - because the operations are exactly the same as far as the drive is concerned. The drive doesn't know if you're performing a format or not - all it sees is a stream of zeros and a new MFT being written.
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Sorry, while your theory may be correct, in real world usage it does make a difference and I have witnessed it more times than I can count, especially on Seagate and Samsung hard drives.
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post #19 of 20
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If I'm not mistaken that means you need to format it.

*edit*
Right click the partition, add new volume > Enter size of volume (should automatically do it) > assign drive letter > choose formatting option/label ect > click finish
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That's all you need to do.
Don't full format it
It's a waiste of time.
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Thanks guys I was able to get it working
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