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thank you very much for that! was hoping to get some clarification before i messed with bios.

No problem, buddy. Anything I can do to help out new members/ builders thumb.gif
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thank you very much for that! was hoping to get some clarification before i messed with bios.

No problem, buddy. Anything I can do to help out new members/ builders thumb.gif

Well I could use some help too! I did my intro post a few days ago and now I have it all put together and running seemingly ok. (GA-990FXA-UD3 rev 1.1, 8gb (2x4gb) Corsair Vengeance with a 1090T cooled by CM Hyper 212 Plus).

Per advice from KhaoticKomputing, I did not even insert the mobo disk and downloaded all the drivers from their site.

Anyway, several questions.

1. You were talking about updating bios via USB but KhaoticKomputing recommended using the @bios provided by Gigiabyte to update the bios with frankly sounds easier. Especially since I don't have a spare flash drive. What is the difference between the two? F5 is what mine came with but some reading above makes it sound like the new F6 version might be worth looking into before I begin to try and OC.

2. Stock temps- At idle it sits at about 26c and as I type this Prime is running it at 100% load (3.2ghz) and it's at 38-40c after about an hour. For stock temps, I assume that means I'm ok with cooler installation? I sill have 4- 120mm side fans to plug back in but I don't know that they will change the CPU that much.

3. On the cooler- it completely blocks the first ram slot. I initially had the ram in slots 3 and 4 but after reviewing the manual some more it recommended using 1/3 or 2/4. So I installed the ram in slots 2/4 but the stick in slot 2 actually sits against the cpu fan. Think this will be problem? I don't think it touches the actual heat sink, just the platic part of the fan. Also, CPUID shows my ram to be in slots 3/4 still. Is that an issue or it just that program being confused?

4. Should I wait until I solve the bios version issue before I begin to OC or really change any bios settings or will they carry-over to the new version?

I promise I RTFF quite a bit before asking but this is a REALLY long threat with lots of side issues.

Edit Here: After 1 hour of Prime there are no errors and temps never got over 41 (stock speeds).
Stock Prime.JPG 130k .JPG file Stock Temps.JPG 41k .JPG file

Thanks all,
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Edited by Rik756 - 12/21/11 at 8:02am
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Your RAM must have some tall heatsinks (never understood why brands like corsair make them so tall), my 16GB of GSkill DDR3-1600 fit with my Hyper 212+ Push-Pull.
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Well I could use some help too! I did my intro post a few days ago and now I have it all put together and running seemingly ok. (GA-990FXA-UD3 rev 1.1, 8gb (2x4gb) Corsair Vengeance with a 1090T cooled by CM Hyper 212 Plus).
Per advice from KhaoticKomputing, I did not even insert the mobo disk and downloaded all the drivers from their site.
Anyway, several questions.
1. You were talking about updating bios via USB but KhaoticKomputing recommended using the @bios provided by Gigiabyte to update the bios with frankly sounds easier. Especially since I don't have a spare flash drive. What is the difference between the two? F5 is what mine came with but some reading above makes it sound like the new F6 version might be worth looking into before I begin to try and OC.
2. Stock temps- At idle it sits at about 26c and as I type this Prime is running it at 100% load (3.2ghz) and it's at 38-40c after about an hour. For stock temps, I assume that means I'm ok with cooler installation? I sill have 4- 120mm side fans to plug back in but I don't know that they will change the CPU that much.
3. On the cooler- it completely blocks the first ram slot. I initially had the ram in slots 3 and 4 but after reviewing the manual some more it recommended using 1/3 or 2/4. So I installed the ram in slots 2/4 but the stick in slot 2 actually sits against the cpu fan. Think this will be problem? I don't think it touches the actual heat sink, just the platic part of the fan. Also, CPUID shows my ram to be in slots 3/4 still. Is that an issue or it just that program being confused?
4. Should I wait until I solve the bios version issue before I begin to OC or really change any bios settings or will they carry-over to the new version?
I promise I RTFF quite a bit before asking but this is a REALLY long threat with lots of side issues.
Edit Here: After 1 hour of Prime there are no errors and temps never got over 41 (stock speeds).
Stock Prime.JPG 130k .JPG file Stock Temps.JPG 41k .JPG file
Thanks all,
Rik

~Read this~ it will explain how to "flash" your BIOS in a few different ways for your gigabyte board. In all honesty I would leave your BIOS alone if your on F5 BIOS. Flash to a new BIOS if the F5 give's you problems.


I suggest you leave it because if you do somthing wrong you might turn your mobo into a brick(kill it dead). I use the F5 BIOS just fine, even have some heavy overclock's going.

For temp monitoring I suggest you use Open Hardware Monitor or CPUID's Hardware Monitor

I use OHW and love it. reason to use these temps is so you can keep an eye on your motherboard/Northbridge temps while stress testing.
Your CPU's thermal limit is 62c, however overclocking will become unstable in the 55c+ range. Your northbridge temps are fine and safe up to 80c.
Your temps appear to be ok, ignore the idle temps, they are useless only worry about full load temps.

Test prime for 8+ hours(overnight). or use Intel Burn Test. And dont forget to overclock the snot out of the Nortbridge:)

EDIT: page 16 in the owner's manual says that if your using two stick of ram you should place them in DDR3_1 and DDR3_2

Its ok to slide the fan on the hyper 212+ up a little bit to clear the ram, or you can flip the fan to the back side of the cooler as a pull fan.
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Your RAM must have some tall heatsinks (never understood why brands like corsair make them so tall), my 16GB of GSkill DDR3-1600 fit with my Hyper 212+ Push-Pull.

Yea, the heat sinks are a total joke. its just good marketing to all the uneducated people out there. Some of the Corsair RAM has a removable heat sink, its pretty spiffy.
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Your RAM must have some tall heatsinks (never understood why brands like corsair make them so tall), my 16GB of GSkill DDR3-1600 fit with my Hyper 212+ Push-Pull.

Yea, the heat sinks are a total joke. its just good marketing to all the uneducated people out there. Some of the Corsair RAM has a removable heat sink, its pretty spiffy.

@ Vesku and KhaoticKomputing- yes, they are very tall. After reading what KhaoticKomputing found in the manual I am a bit bummed now. I misread it and thought that bank 2/4 would be fine. Good catch! Unfortunately, the first slot is completely blocked by the CPU cooler. The second slot is the one that touches the fan. It won't matter which side the fan is on, it will still touch. I either have to chop the CPU heat sink, chop the ram heat sink or change one of those two parts to get the ram in the "recommended" slots. See attached. I don't mind dremeling off the ram heat sink. See any issue with doing that as long as I cover the chips? This is to assume that the chips themselves are short enough to go under the cpu heat sink...I am

@ KhaoticKomputing- I did download the Open hardware Monitor but I think it's actually a little hard to read/understand. Maybe I just don't get what I'm looking at. It only shows 3 temps for whatever reason and the temps it does show are several degrees higher than Coretemp. You can watch real-time with Core temp too, I'm just not sure which is accurate. See attached.

Ok- keeping with F5 bios then.

Where do I start with the OC on the ram and the CPU? Is there another how-to guide somewhere on here that is pretty specific to MY setup (GA-990FXA-UD3 rev 1.1, 8gb (2x4gb) Corsair Vengeance with a 1090T)? That's really what I want/need. I searched for a few rigs that were the same cpu/board as mine so I could literally just copy and start with there settings but no luck as of yet.

As for the ACHI mode, my hdd should support it, but I have no idea if I would actually see an improvement and from what little I understood of what I read I should have installed some driver during the XP install. I think I read that you said there was a hotfix that could be used, but that's as far as I got so far. How do I know if my drive supports it? (Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 1.5Gb/s 3.5")

Note on the cooler- I was pretty impressed with the template that Coolermaster sent to apply the paste. Assuming it stayed flat and even, I think it should seal up nicely!

Thanks all- Do you guys prefer attachments or images in posts? I've seen both. I prefer images but I'll post whatever the preference here is.

Rik

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@ Vesku and KhaoticKomputing- yes, they are very tall. After reading what KhaoticKomputing found in the manual I am a bit bummed now. I misread it and thought that bank 2/4 would be fine. Good catch! Unfortunately, the first slot is completely blocked by the CPU cooler. The second slot is the one that touches the fan. It won't matter which side the fan is on, it will still touch. I either have to chop the CPU heat sink, chop the ram heat sink or change one of those two parts to get the ram in the "recommended" slots. See attached. I don't mind dremeling off the ram heat sink. See any issue with doing that as long as I cover the chips? This is to assume that the chips themselves are short enough to go under the cpu heat sink...I am
@ KhaoticKomputing- I did download the Open hardware Monitor but I think it's actually a little hard to read/understand. Maybe I just don't get what I'm looking at. It only shows 3 temps for whatever reason and the temps it does show are several degrees higher than Coretemp. You can watch real-time with Core temp too, I'm just not sure which is accurate. See attached.
Ok- keeping with F5 bios then.
Where do I start with the OC on the ram and the CPU? Is there another how-to guide somewhere on here that is pretty specific to MY setup (GA-990FXA-UD3 rev 1.1, 8gb (2x4gb) Corsair Vengeance with a 1090T)? That's really what I want/need. I searched for a few rigs that were the same cpu/board as mine so I could literally just copy and start with there settings but no luck as of yet.
As for the ACHI mode, my hdd should support it, but I have no idea if I would actually see an improvement and from what little I understood of what I read I should have installed some driver during the XP install. I think I read that you said there was a hotfix that could be used, but that's as far as I got so far. How do I know if my drive supports it? (Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 1.5Gb/s 3.5")
Note on the cooler- I was pretty impressed with the template that Coolermaster sent to apply the paste. Assuming it stayed flat and even, I think it should seal up nicely!
Thanks all- Do you guys prefer attachments or images in posts? I've seen both. I prefer images but I'll post whatever the preference here is.
Rik

Ok, first, turn your cooler the "proper way" lol. Your cooler is mounted South to north, this is not an ideal set up. Here is a pic of a more ideal set up for you.
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you want to blow the air to the back of the case, you can place the CPU cooler fan befor the cooler, to push, or after to pull based on how your ram fit's. However according to your pic you have the RAM in the right slots, with plenty of room. Unless I am looking at the wrong upside down pic.

The pic you show of Open hardware monitor seems to be fine.
Virst thing it is showing you is voltage. VCore and Vbatt. Vcore is your CPU voltage.
The Temperatures #1-3 are reading as follow's.

Temp1= CPU socket temp, this is the temp of the socket, not the actual CPU, this temp will be a few C higher than the CPU core temps.
Temp2= the System temp(motherboard)
Temp 3= the Northbridge temp.
Then it shows the current bus and clock speeds of your CPU.
Then it show's your CPU core temps,
The next group is the Load your CPU is under, it show's the load of each core, and the total load across the CPU
Then it show's your GPU voltage's, clock info, fan speed, and temp. also show's load on the GPU core.

You can remove any of the reading you don't want to see, or rename them if you want. It also will show you current value along with min and max value's. When you get AHCI mode turned on it will also show HDD temps.

Are you using Windows XP? Also you should fill out your sig rig so we can see what OS your using and stuff. I know there is an AHCI mode hotfix for windows 7, not sure if one is out for windows XP or vista.
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@ KhaoticKomputing- I did download the Open hardware Monitor but I think it's actually a little hard to read/understand. Maybe I just don't get what I'm looking at. It only shows 3 temps for whatever reason and the temps it does show are several degrees higher than Coretemp. You can watch real-time with Core temp too, I'm just not sure which is accurate. See attached.
Ok- keeping with F5 bios then.
Where do I start with the OC on the ram and the CPU? Is there another how-to guide somewhere on here that is pretty specific to MY setup (GA-990FXA-UD3 rev 1.1, 8gb (2x4gb) Corsair Vengeance with a 1090T)? That's really what I want/need. I searched for a few rigs that were the same cpu/board as mine so I could literally just copy and start with there settings but no luck as of yet.
As for the ACHI mode, my hdd should support it, but I have no idea if I would actually see an improvement and from what little I understood of what I read I should have installed some driver during the XP install. I think I read that you said there was a hotfix that could be used, but that's as far as I got so far. How do I know if my drive supports it? (Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 1.5Gb/s 3.5")
Note on the cooler- I was pretty impressed with the template that Coolermaster sent to apply the paste. Assuming it stayed flat and even, I think it should seal up nicely!
Thanks all- Do you guys prefer attachments or images in posts? I've seen both. I prefer images but I'll post whatever the preference here is.
Rik

Ok, first, turn your cooler the "proper way" lol. Your cooler is mounted South to north, this is not an ideal set up. Here is a pic of a more ideal set up for you.
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you want to blow the air to the back of the case, you can place the CPU cooler fan befor the cooler, to push, or after to pull based on how your ram fit's. However according to your pic you have the RAM in the right slots, with plenty of room. Unless I am looking at the wrong upside down pic.

The pic you show of Open hardware monitor seems to be fine.
Virst thing it is showing you is voltage. VCore and Vbatt. Vcore is your CPU voltage.
The Temperatures #1-3 are reading as follow's.

Temp1= CPU socket temp, this is the temp of the socket, not the actual CPU, this temp will be a few C higher than the CPU core temps.
Temp2= the System temp(motherboard)
Temp 3= the Northbridge temp.
Then it shows the current bus and clock speeds of your CPU.
Then it show's your CPU core temps,
The next group is the Load your CPU is under, it show's the load of each core, and the total load across the CPU
Then it show's your GPU voltage's, clock info, fan speed, and temp. also show's load on the GPU core.

You can remove any of the reading you don't want to see, or rename them if you want. It also will show you current value along with min and max value's. When you get AHCI mode turned on it will also show HDD temps.

Are you using Windows XP? Also you should fill out your sig rig so we can see what OS your using and stuff. I know there is an AHCI mode hotfix for windows 7, not sure if one is out for windows XP or vista.

OK- I tried to get it to blow out the back but the bracket wouldnt fit around the heat pipes that way. Or at least so I thought. Can you give some detail on how you got yours to fit? Mine came with an adjustable bracket, but it simply wouldn't adjust to the rectangular shape that it needed. Obviously I missed something. As for the ram, the pretty heat sinks were really flmsy metal and with all the glue and goop they used to stick them on, I'm certain my 4 side fans blowing directly on them will keep them cooler than the heat sinks did.

I also "think" I have the ram in the right slots per the book (the text at the bottom gives different into from the diagram) but after hosing up something similar like the cooler maybe not so much doh.gif Also, my post screen says my memory "unganged". I've read a little about that and it seems 50/50 on whether that's good or bad. Your thoughts?My rig info is filled out- or I think it is. I'll double check. Im still running XP...

Once I get the cooler issue resolved, we'll talk about that nb!

Edit Here: My rig info is completed from when I joined a few days ago. Is there something special I need to do so it will show up? I looked and didn't see anything.

Thanks,
Rik
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OK- I tried to get it to blow out the back but the bracket wouldnt fit around the heat pipes that way. Or at least so I thought. Can you give some detail on how you got yours to fit? Mine came with an adjustable bracket, but it simply wouldn't adjust to the rectangular shape that it needed. Obviously I missed something. As for the ram, the pretty heat sinks were really flmsy metal and with all the glue and goop they used to stick them on, I'm certain my 4 side fans blowing directly on them will keep them cooler than the heat sinks did.
I also "think" I have the ram in the right slots per the book (the text at the bottom gives different into from the diagram) but after hosing up something similar like the cooler maybe not so much doh.gif Also, my post screen says my memory "unganged". I've read a little about that and it seems 50/50 on whether that's good or bad. Your thoughts?My rig info is filled out- or I think it is. I'll double check. Im still running XP...
Once I get the cooler issue resolved, we'll talk about that nb!
Edit Here: My rig info is completed from when I joined a few days ago. Is there something special I need to do so it will show up? I looked and didn't see anything.
Thanks,
Rik

The 212+ mount is kinda weird. I wish I had a camera I could take some pics of what to do. Good that you found out how to get the RAM to fit to your liking. Looks like your ready to start overclocking:)
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Ok- so I pulled the cooler off and there was this LOUD swooshing sound and my head popped outta my @$$. It is now mounted the "proper way"doh.gif

To make up for my stupidity I went to the spare parts bin and pillaged another 120mm fan to do a push-pull as well. Thanks for the catch. It just took some finagling to get it to fit right and it is tight, but I guess KNOWING that it could work made the difference. Not being 11pm and a few cool, refreshing adult beverages into a build probably wasn't a bad idea anyway.

Can you see my rig setup and if not, what do I have to do to get it visible??

Thanks,
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Edit Here: With the cooler in the "proper way", adding the pull fan and putting the side case back on (4 120mm side fans) the load temps only dropped a couple degrees under 100% load with no errors after an hour. I'll burn in overnight when I go to bed tonight and see what it does.
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