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Would it possible for me to join? So glad we have a club for our boards. Gigabyte has never let me down. Thus my investment!
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Originally Posted by Fokuz View Post

This is the stupid noise the gpu-fan is making. As demonstrated it's gone when I stop the fan with the fingers pushed against the rotor.
Validation from CPUID if that is any information of interest

Video of the noice + Short blur visual insight of the system.

HW-Monitor Statistics

Software Installed

For you who missed out previously explained I'm a pretty much hardcore armature in this stuff and this is my first build so I basically have almost no knowledge of hardware, but I'm enthusiastic to keep my system running smooth and always strive for optimization, so the situation is somewhat frustrating for the moment, but it's here to be solved.
So if anyone has any concrete explanation why the noise just appeared "out of nowhere" and if anyone has any link of configurations our smart things that can be changed, or bad things I've done with the system like, drivers, bios(untouched), programs. Please feel free to recommend me.

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It could be the fan pulling off the motor, or the fan bearing is going dry(sewing machine oil works.. use a LIGHT AMOUNT). Or it could be that the cooler was placed on the GPU wrong and somthing(heatsink, wire's...) are interfering with the fan.
This is one of those things you need to RMA, or open it up and find out.. I would do a search for aftermarket cooler's that fit your GPU.. just so you have a back up plan and then open that bad boy up and see whats wrong.

RMA: What the Store-owner told sounded really crappy in my ears, something like: "-Eh We send it to Zotac if it's wrong and then if you are unlucky you have to wait up to several weeks and IF they find out that the error is caused by them initially I can get it repaired or compensated some way with something of equal value."
Don't know if he tried to scam me or whatever but yeah, so if it's the fan that's broken in some way;

Fix it my self solutionFirst off, can it have anything to do with my configuration's which I tried to attach as much information about as possible. Like can it be some configuration in the bios that gives it to much voltage? (Don't dare to touch that stuff) Some fan speed configuration that I did wrong? Drivers? (AMD Chipset / Nvidia GPU) Or maybe it's the one hell of a wire-beast mess PSU (Corsair 650w something non-mod) that messes it up? As I said I knew so little about this stuff that in my world I can't exclude a non-physicaly damage of the card / fan before I knew more about this stuff. I have a old gfx-card laying around; Sapphire HD 4850 X2 2GB the fans is the same size as the one fan on my Zotac, but its un-removeable from the plastic bearing that holds it over the sink. (drilled into it). And the black bearing of the Sapphire is like 30cm or something.
Sounds like tricky stuff for me, I don't even know if I can destroy the card by touching a specific(random) part with my finger or if it's safe. If anyone has a good or amateur-friendly tutorial link for modding graph-cards I can take a look on that solution. Thanks for the reply.

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RMA: What the Store-owner told sounded really crappy in my ears, something like: "-Eh We send it to Zotac if it's wrong and then if you are unlucky you have to wait up to several weeks and IF they find out that the error is caused by them initially I can get it repaired or compensated some way with something of equal value."
Don't know if he tried to scam me or whatever but yeah, so if it's the fan that's broken in some way;
Fix it my self solutionFirst off, can it have anything to do with my configuration's which I tried to attach as much information about as possible. Like can it be some configuration in the bios that gives it to much voltage? (Don't dare to touch that stuff) Some fan speed configuration that I did wrong? Drivers? (AMD Chipset / Nvidia GPU) Or maybe it's the one hell of a wire-beast mess PSU (Corsair 650w something non-mod) that messes it up? As I said I knew so little about this stuff that in my world I can't exclude a non-physicaly damage of the card / fan before I knew more about this stuff. I have a old gfx-card laying around; Sapphire HD 4850 X2 2GB the fans is the same size as the one fan on my Zotac, but its un-removeable from the plastic bearing that holds it over the sink. (drilled into it). And the black bearing of the Sapphire is like 30cm or something.
Sounds like tricky stuff for me, I don't even know if I can destroy the card by touching a specific(random) part with my finger or if it's safe. If anyone has a good or amateur-friendly tutorial link for modding graph-cards I can take a look on that solution. Thanks for the reply.
This is how the old card looks:

Your store repairman is correct about the RMA, maybe a touch on the dramatic side though. You send the card back to the manufacture, they check it out and have the final say on if its "Working as intended" or actually "broken or faulty". If they deem nothings wrong they ship it back. If they deem that its broken they will analyze the "damage" and decide if it is withing the warranty to replace the card. It can take several weeks for this to happen, and the customer pay's shipping in my experience.
You can start searching the web about their RMA history and stuff to get an idea.

No, the bios, voltage, or any of that other stuff wouldn't cause this. Its a dry fan bearing or something touching the fan inside the cooler.

taking off the cooler shouldn't be too much of a problem, Most of them are pretty simple. Make sure you have appropriate supply's to clean and replace the TIM on the GPU. Be gentle, handle with care that sort of thing. thumb.gif
You might even try to contact Zotac coustomer support yourself and ask them what you should do with their product(be nice and polite!).
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No, the bios, voltage, or any of that other stuff wouldn't cause this. Its a dry fan bearing or something touching the fan inside the cooler.
taking off the cooler shouldn't be too much of a problem, Most of them are pretty simple. Make sure you have appropriate supply's to clean and replace the TIM on the GPU. Be gentle, handle with care that sort of thing. thumb.gif
You might even try to contact Zotac coustomer support yourself and ask them what you should do with their product(be nice and polite!).

Ah, this was good news as it sounded pretty simple it's just that a lot of the words are very unfamiliar for me, I had to google up "heat-sink" "GPU" "bearing" to understand what this even was referring to physically. I don't have any thermal paste (if that is what TIM is standing for) so I skip checking the heat-sink for now, but regarding the fan itself If I got you correctly, did you mean that I should check if it's possible to open it up (I know Warranty is in my hands) and see if there is any dust or crap that's stuck inside, (or if it's dry) because this in my viewpoint sounds very logical now to be the issue when referring to how the noise actually sounds.. Thanks.

Anyhow if I got it all right, is there any part I should consider be extra extra careful when touching or try to not touch at all? I try to use my common sense, but sometimes my impassivity or creativity bypasses that. I don't have any anti-static-"bracelet"-thing. I always done like this. Turn of the PC. Remove the power connector from the PSU. Remove the power from the part I wan't to remove, Wait 30 minute's or something and then plug it out. Touching a radiator first. Then when handling the part for example the graphic card, I have tried to be very very gentle and not point my fingers on anything I don't know what it is or even the board itself. But Exactly how gentle do I need to be, can I, if starting with this method, take a pencil made of wood, and brush away dust gently from the card? I never dared except on the cooling parts. Yeah, thanks a lot. smile.gif
    
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Finally making the jump to a new board from my trusty Asus m2n32-sli deluxe so I can get the most out of my phenom ii x4 cpu. Hoping this board will give me the same amount of life as her predecessor. Gotta wait til tomorrow to get some ddr3 since I didn't plan ahead.. But at least that'll get very me time to backup my stuff. Hopefully the oc'ing won't be too difficult. Anyways, that's my intro post. Thanks everyone
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I've had that a few odd times, but never randomly, and a BIOS flash way back cleared it up. Congrats on the new overclock and Merry Christmas to you, too!!

Thanks,and might I ask, what bios are you running?
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Ah, this was good news as it sounded pretty simple it's just that a lot of the words are very unfamiliar for me, I had to google up "heat-sink" "GPU" "bearing" to understand what this even was referring to physically. I don't have any thermal paste (if that is what TIM is standing for) so I skip checking the heat-sink for now, but regarding the fan itself If I got you correctly, did you mean that I should check if it's possible to open it up (I know Warranty is in my hands) and see if there is any dust or crap that's stuck inside, (or if it's dry) because this in my viewpoint sounds very logical now to be the issue when referring to how the noise actually sounds.. Thanks.
Anyhow if I got it all right, is there any part I should consider be extra extra careful when touching or try to not touch at all? I try to use my common sense, but sometimes my impassivity or creativity bypasses that. I don't have any anti-static-"bracelet"-thing. I always done like this. Turn of the PC. Remove the power connector from the PSU. Remove the power from the part I wan't to remove, Wait 30 minute's or something and then plug it out. Touching a radiator first. Then when handling the part for example the graphic card, I have tried to be very very gentle and not point my fingers on anything I don't know what it is or even the board itself. But Exactly how gentle do I need to be, can I, if starting with this method, take a pencil made of wood, and brush away dust gently from the card? I never dared except on the cooling parts. Yeah, thanks a lot. smile.gif

I'll elaborate a little on what I thing may be the problem. First, your GPU is going to be made up of a few different parts.

1. The PCB(Printed Circuit Board). The is the large silicon board with all the bits and bots attached to it.The PCB plugs directly into the Motherboard
2. The heatsink. This is a large hunk of cut metal(mostly aluminum) that is attached to the GPU PCB. The goal of the heatsink is the transfer heat from the GPU Core, and various other bits and bob's.
3. Fan and/or shroud. The fan blows the air across the Heatsink, removing heat from the GPU. Some time's there are shrouds acting as ducts to guide the air in a specific path.
4. I/O backplate. This is the small metal pice that actually bots to the case. The Video outputs are located on this part.

From audio of the video it sounds like the Fan is coming into contact with somthing(such as the shroud or heatsink, maybe even the power wire for the fan itself).

The other possiblity is that the bearing in the fan motor has dried up. The bearing is a part inside the fan that allow's the motor and blade to spin freely with minimal friction. The bearing needs Oil to do this.
There are many video's on you tube about how to take a fan apart to oil it. Its pretty basic stuff too. No large tools needed.

Yes TIM=Thermal Paste. Don't reuse TIM. Always replace it with new.

You don't need anything fancy like a anti-static bracelet. just make sure you reduce the static in your body as much as possible(by not wearing socks on carpet, ect) and discharge/ground yourself by touching a metal part of the case while holding the PCB's. Also, the less you touch it the less chance of frying it you have. You can use Cardboard(cut up cereal box) as a work mat. I would take detailed photo's before you remove ANYTHING from the GPU. Taking one apart is not hard at all, but if your new you might forget simple details like how the fan wire's are routed.

All you really need to accomplish this task for most GPU's are: Small flat head screw driver, Small Phillip's screw driver, TIM, Coffee Filter's, 90% or better Rubbing Alcohol. Some time's the Small Flathead Screwdriver's are handy for undoing the push tabs for the shrouds, Most all the screw's will be Philips head though.

Once its apart its time for the Rubbing Alch. and coffee filter's. Use this to clean the TIM off the heat sink and the GPU core. The rubbing Alch won't short anything out and will dry fast. Work's great for breaking down TIM. Coffee filter's are cheap, and by design are lint free. Once its apart, clean and sat for a bit to dry off some. Re-apply TIM(less is more!) and then assemble it again using the pic's for reference just in case.Take note of the fan. It must be able to spin freely without rubbing on anything.

Last bit of advice I can give you is to take your sweet ass time, Its not worth rushing and do not ever force anything. Always be as gentle as possible. If you do this right nobody should be able to tell you opened the card up in the first place.

I would strongly recommend sending the card maker's Customer Support team an e-mail before. Just asking what they think about the card.
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Thanks,and might I ask, what bios are you running?
I just flashed F11. I haven't had that problem in a while now though. I believe it also may have disappeared while I was reworking my radiators. Try unplugging the computer from the wall, then pull the CMOS battery for 20 or 30 minutes.
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thumb.gifthumb.gif PROPS KhaoticKomputing Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
I'll elaborate a little on what I thing may be the problem. First, your GPU is going to be made up of a few different parts.
1. The PCB(Printed Circuit Board). The is the large silicon board with all the bits and bots attached to it.The PCB plugs directly into the Motherboard
2. The heatsink. This is a large hunk of cut metal(mostly aluminum) that is attached to the GPU PCB. The goal of the heatsink is the transfer heat from the GPU Core, and various other bits and bob's.
3. Fan and/or shroud. The fan blows the air across the Heatsink, removing heat from the GPU. Some time's there are shrouds acting as ducts to guide the air in a specific path.
4. I/O backplate. This is the small metal pice that actually bots to the case. The Video outputs are located on this part.
From audio of the video it sounds like the Fan is coming into contact with somthing(such as the shroud or heatsink, maybe even the power wire for the fan itself).
The other possiblity is that the bearing in the fan motor has dried up. The bearing is a part inside the fan that allow's the motor and blade to spin freely with minimal friction. The bearing needs Oil to do this.
There are many video's on you tube about how to take a fan apart to oil it. Its pretty basic stuff too. No large tools needed.
Yes TIM=Thermal Paste. Don't reuse TIM. Always replace it with new.
You don't need anything fancy like a anti-static bracelet. just make sure you reduce the static in your body as much as possible(by not wearing socks on carpet, ect) and discharge/ground yourself by touching a metal part of the case while holding the PCB's. Also, the less you touch it the less chance of frying it you have. You can use Cardboard(cut up cereal box) as a work mat. I would take detailed photo's before you remove ANYTHING from the GPU. Taking one apart is not hard at all, but if your new you might forget simple details like how the fan wire's are routed.
All you really need to accomplish this task for most GPU's are: Small flat head screw driver, Small Phillip's screw driver, TIM, Coffee Filter's, 90% or better Rubbing Alcohol. Some time's the Small Flathead Screwdriver's are handy for undoing the push tabs for the shrouds, Most all the screw's will be Philips head though.
Once its apart its time for the Rubbing Alch. and coffee filter's. Use this to clean the TIM off the heat sink and the GPU core. The rubbing Alch won't short anything out and will dry fast. Work's great for breaking down TIM. Coffee filter's are cheap, and by design are lint free. Once its apart, clean and sat for a bit to dry off some. Re-apply TIM(less is more!) and then assemble it again using the pic's for reference just in case.Take note of the fan. It must be able to spin freely without rubbing on anything.
Last bit of advice I can give you is to take your sweet ass time, Its not worth rushing and do not ever force anything. Always be as gentle as possible. If you do this right nobody should be able to tell you opened the card up in the first place.
I would strongly recommend sending the card maker's Customer Support team an e-mail before. Just asking what they think about the card.


I have to say thank you a lot for the enthusiasm of helping me! You explained it very straightforward and solid for me to grasp. It's hard when you try to google and you find 1000 different opinions of what to do and what to not do and so forth. And when you are perfectionist and procrastination pro like i am (working on it) it can get very hard as I could analyze the problem in depths that I end up tunnel vision to analyze a debate on which rubbing alcohol is best for 12 hours missing that it was for ex, just a fan wire touching the fan which could be fixed in position in 2 minutes. or something like that. Well well, maybe better end this Graphic card discussion as it getting out of hands from the Thread topic (I don't know the exact rules here on OC.net but yeah.)

So back to the GA-990FXA-Series stuff
Speaking in general terms, shift the focus back to the motherboard itself, as explained before I'm new to hardware and there is a lot of question marks for me. I could skip trying to optimize everything and just let it be as it is but when doing that I will carry a subconscious stress knowing that I might be doing something very wrong or harmful to my system. Metaphorically speaking I feel like a Surgeon next to a newborn baby with a vital condition, carrying rusty tool and my DR. exam is based on a education from Comic-magazines. My current system is attached in the RIG below and what I'm asking for is if there is any good basic tips - links to pages that can give me brief explanation of common knowledge that's good to have regarding my system in general, or the motherboard / processor in specific. The question maybe is a little diffuse but when I google it feels like I always end up in discussions about people having a specific problem with the same or similar system and several people that are arguing for their self-claimed best solution, or suggesting to buy something else = Confusion. This is also why I ended up in this forum instead, to directly ask people with knowledge to get a more substantial answer.
    
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I just flashed F11. I haven't had that problem in a while now though. I believe it also may have disappeared while I was reworking my radiators. Try unplugging the computer from the wall, then pull the CMOS battery for 20 or 30 minutes.

Thanks bud, I'll try doing that.

I got that message again when my PC crashed due to unstable GPU overclock, but I got it working again by setting everything to default and then loading my OC profile from CMOS.

Also, should I push for 3.7ghz? max temp after 12 hours of prime95 was 56°C at 1.425vcore, but I've reduced that to 1.400v, haven't officially stress tested just yet but I did play a total of ~12 hours of BF3 without a problem.
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