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I have also run into issues with the unstable V3 bios.

Forgive me, but what's this V3 bios? For Rev 1.0 and 1.1 boards the latest bios is F9 and F10 is the latest beta. Rev 3 boards have bios FA, FB, and FC.

And going back to our earlier discussion of temp sensors, TMPIN2 is northbridge only and is not reading the VRM's on the other side of the socket. The northbridge does many things but regulating voltage to the CPU Core is not one of them.

That being said, what temp is reading 65C when it starts throttling? We've got 3 different sensors on the board plus socket and core temps.
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Oops. Am I getting them mixed up? TMPIN2 is the hottest one. The package is also quite hot. They are very close in temps. I thought they both could throttle because while stress testing it seems whichever one gets there first is the one to throttle.

I have the V3 FC bios, which for some reason stopped regulating the PWM fans a few days ago on auto. The only area of the board that is warped is at those VRMs.
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I have a 0°C reading aka no reading at all on TMPIN2, is that normal with the 6 core Phenom II´s?
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Oops. Am I getting them mixed up? TMPIN2 is the hottest one. The package is also quite hot. They are very close in temps. I thought they both could throttle because while stress testing it seems whichever one gets there first is the one to throttle.

I have the V3 FC bios, which for some reason stopped regulating the PWM fans a few days ago on auto. The only area of the board that is warped is at those VRMs.

TMPIN0 is system/motherboard temp
TMPIN1 is CPU socket temp
TMPIN2 is northbridge

Package temp is CPU CORE TEMP, this is the most important and relevant temp.

TMPIN2 (northbridge) is known to run hot on these boards and its fine. Dont worry about it unless it says 95C or you smell smoke. Just forget TMPIN2.

Package temp should normally be ~10 degrees hotter than TMPIN1 (socket). Your mileage may vary on this though.

Furthermore, the FX package temps are not really accurate until you put a steady load on the processor.

And, just to clarify for this discussion, what are you defining as "throttling'? Throttling would be a reduction in clock speed (megahertz) as indicated by CPU-Z or similar. Beacuse the core voltage is going to bounce around and fluctuate no matter what you do, thats how these boards work, its normal, and voltage fluctuations are not what we are referring to here as throttling.
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I have a 0°C reading aka no reading at all on TMPIN2, is that normal with the 6 core Phenom II´s?

Not sure about that one.
    
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Runelotus: That cooler looks like just the thing to cool those VRMs. I already have the Enzotech cooler and even with 3 120mm fans in that corner of the case of 56, 74, and 110cfm rating I can not take an FX8350 above 4.5 ghz because those VRMs are at their thermal limit. In normal use they sit right at 60C and start throttling at 65C.
I have also run into issues with the unstable V3 bios.

PS: How is that HR-09 bolted down?

I Still Use pushpins , Thinking of using , screws and nuts but the board warps like crazy even with pushpins
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TMPIN0 is system/motherboard temp
TMPIN1 is CPU socket temp
TMPIN2 is northbridge

Package temp is CPU CORE TEMP, this is the most important and relevant temp.

TMPIN2 (northbridge) is known to run hot on these boards and its fine. Dont worry about it unless it says 95C or you smell smoke. Just forget TMPIN2.

Package temp should normally be ~10 degrees hotter than TMPIN1 (socket). Your mileage may vary on this though.

Furthermore, the FX package temps are not really accurate until you put a steady load on the processor.

And, just to clarify for this discussion, what are you defining as "throttling'? Throttling would be a reduction in clock speed (megahertz) as indicated by CPU-Z or similar. Beacuse the core voltage is going to bounce around and fluctuate no matter what you do, thats how these boards work, its normal, and voltage fluctuations are not what we are referring to here as throttling.
With the FX cpu, the tmpin2 temps reported are identical to what the package temps are reported. I find it very hard to believe my nb and cpu are running at the same exact temperature as each other all the time whether loaded or at idle. This has been discussed. On phenom cpu's it may very well be nb temps but with fx it is not nb or reading faulty.

As for the throttling. It is full blown throttling. The VRM's are getting so hot the board is cutting voltage AND multi. Example my cpu goes from 4.0ghz @ 1.36v to 1.2ghz @ .9v it is forcing a full load cpu into its lowest power state while still being at 100% load. Is that not throttling?
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I just realized my post sounded kind of mean. Not my intention at all. I'm posting from my phone.just trying to explain what throttling we are experiencing
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TMPIN0 is system/motherboard temp
TMPIN1 is CPU socket temp
TMPIN2 is northbridge

Package temp is CPU CORE TEMP, this is the most important and relevant temp.

TMPIN2 (northbridge) is known to run hot on these boards and its fine. Dont worry about it unless it says 95C or you smell smoke. Just forget TMPIN2.

Package temp should normally be ~10 degrees hotter than TMPIN1 (socket). Your mileage may vary on this though.

Furthermore, the FX package temps are not really accurate until you put a steady load on the processor.

And, just to clarify for this discussion, what are you defining as "throttling'? Throttling would be a reduction in clock speed (megahertz) as indicated by CPU-Z or similar. Beacuse the core voltage is going to bounce around and fluctuate no matter what you do, thats how these boards work, its normal, and voltage fluctuations are not what we are referring to here as throttling.
With the FX cpu, the tmpin2 temps reported are identical to what the package temps are reported. I find it very hard to believe my nb and cpu are running at the same exact temperature as each other all the time whether loaded or at idle. This has been discussed. On phenom cpu's it may very well be nb temps but with fx it is not nb or reading faulty.

As for the throttling. It is full blown throttling. The VRM's are getting so hot the board is cutting voltage AND multi. Example my cpu goes from 4.0ghz @ 1.36v to 1.2ghz @ .9v it is forcing a full load cpu into its lowest power state while still being at 100% load. Is that not throttling?

and with my system, TMPIN2 is and tracks 10-+12c above my core temp (package temp) reads. It is identical at all times to what is the ' CPU temp' in other programs. At one point I removed my active cooling on my NB (and it warms considerably when I do this), and it has no effect on TMPIN2
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My system shows in OCCT that TMPIN2 and package are very close but different. They both spike at the same time but at slightly different times and amounts. TMPIN1 idles at a much higher temp but peaks lower and has a completely different pattern of peaks and valleys.

On another note I'm on a mission to cool down the CPU. The Arctic A30 just is not good enough. Step one was to cut out the perforated metal grill behind the case exhaust fan and to replace it with a chrome grill. This made a difference, with less noise and a bit lower temps.
Something changed for the worse though. Before this rig would start throttling at 65C, but now it throttles at 62C! And it is both TMPIN2 and the package that drop in unison, and it is both voltage and the multiplier that are dropping. All I can guess is that the airflow in the back of the case has been disrupted again.
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