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I would be unhappy if my temps were reaching 61C while playing a game. That would tell me that during a true 8 core load its going to be to hot. As long as you are happy though!
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I have Corsair Vengeance 1866 Mhz 9-10-9-27 1.5V 4x4Gb total 16Gb

Stabile run only 1334Mhz why?




When pc run 4Ghz base clock and memory 1344mhz a have Cinebench 11.5 result 6,60
When pc run 5Ghz and base clock memory settings 1344Mhz have Cinebench 11.5 result 5,27 all is water cooling VRM,Northbridge water temperature max 61C and CPU i see max 72C

CPU trotling or VRM?

How to see?

Thanks for help

Maybe not good settings i use still Intel CPU this is my First AMD
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Originally Posted by hurricane28 View Post

Thnx that was what i try to do thumb.gif

never give up biggrin.gif

But seriously buying 2133 RAM when u have 1866 or even 1600 would be useless if u can oc it yourself at those speeds too and can save a couple of dollars/euro's thumb.gif

The thing is tho that NOT every RAM will get that speed i guess , they tested the RAM there so u are always sure that it will run 2133 or 2400, also i heard FX chips do not support native 2133 or 2400
i am not sure if that is right because i never tested it.

What i did was set the RAM profile to 2400 and get the same timings as they sell for 2400 and prestooo! it works.
At first i was done too because i could not be stable at any speed until now.

Also when i set it to 2400 my FSB gets to 257 so that can be that my chip likes that FSB more than the 251 i was running before OR my RAM likes this speed better.

I'm running Corsair Vengeance so if I'm lucky it should be good for one more tick up (should be 2133) just by multplier alone. If wanted to go beyond THAT I'd almost cettianly be looking the the TIMING-tweaks you mentioned. W E already shows the RAM at 7.9 (at 1959)
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oooh kaaay.... I couldn't really follow a lot of that but I'll respond to the parts I think I was clear on... "bios cannot do much for you" FOR ME BIOS does everything I need it to in terms of OC'ing. Or were you getting at something else? Then I think you were saying BIOS is merely the "same predefined values in the cmos" I suspect that's at least partially true, but at the same time I think (JMO) that much of what's in and controled by the BIOS is independent of the CMOS, but EITHER WAY (as ssume) you're talking about STOCK values (I guess), to wit, ....so? BIOS gets some of it's stock values from the CMOS, yeah... and then we tweak them to OC. or were you going somewhere else with that? "The most interesting thing happens in the chipset driver" Really lost me on that one. Personally I've never been "in the" chipset driver or attempted to edit one. I'm pretty sure we got crossed signals on THAT ONE. "do you think all this software OC is using bios to overclock" THAT's actually an interesting question. I don't know. But if I had to guess I'd go with NOT. Since they are Operating-System based applications they'd doing what ever they do, after Windows (or whatever) is fully loaded, the Bios-post-up long past and in theory anyway, inalterable at that point. BUT THEN some are likely "saving your choices" and then attempting to "write to the BIOS" after you restart, (hence "you must restart your computer for the changes to take effect") I just know that whatever it was that (the one's I last messed with) they're doing they did it very unsucessfully. But Like I Said, that was some years ago and (granted) they probably have made some advances since then, but, further, I personally remain happy to do all my OC-tweaking in the BIOS directly. or... did I not understand you correctly?
Then you jumped over to VRM issue. OZZ is the go-2-guy on that one! But if your box is self-stopping, "under heavy load",
I would assume you've pushed your OC to far (duh) on one or more components, (1) and 2.) Very slim chance (IMHO) that the power supply (would have) had anything to do with it. Since you already upgraded and it's happened with the new PS it's fairly moot. ....if I understood you correctly....eh-smiley.gif

1. First off, you should really read about BIOS and PC and so on. Of course I cannot teach you 10-20 years experience nor I'm a professional teacher nor I get paid for it. I just wanted to say you can make OC and finding your sweet spot faster with software and you don't need to reboot so often. Of course in BIOS there is something more but the main purpose of the bios is only to get the cpu running so that it can load the mbr from the disk and then it gives total control to the OS. Hence you can erase the CMOS from Windows and most likely your OC settings is gone? How would you do that if you think of the BIOS is controlling everything? Programming a chipset driver isn't a rocket science either, actually is all happens now.
I cannot say anything about your bad experience with software OC but most likely if you don't put some serious effort in something you can quickly get also frustrated. It's like your job when you choose a job you aren't always satisfied with your choice and then it can also happen you must make small compromise to enjoy it?

2. I think my cpu is just starving. But it's good to know where I can look when my temp is going to far.
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Originally Posted by hajnalka View Post

I have Corsair Vengeance 1866 Mhz 9-10-9-27 1.5V 4x4Gb total 16Gb

Stabile run only 1334Mhz why?

When pc run 4Ghz base clock and memory 1344mhz a have Cinebench 11.5 result 6,60
When pc run 5Ghz and base clock memory settings 1344Mhz have Cinebench 11.5 result 5,27 all is water cooling VRM,Northbridge water temperature max 61C and CPU i see max 72C

CPU trotling or VRM? How to see?

Thanks for help Maybe not good settings i use still Intel CPU this is my First AMD

OK again, I'm not positive I understood you completely, but here here goes anyway!

72C CPU on THIS BOARD is TOO HOT. The fact (you say) it's not stable is further proof of that AND also that,
5Ghz is too much. Or else how you got it there was the wrong mix. Either way you need fall back and regroup. See if you can it stable around 4.4 and then try a different attack plan going forward.
And maybe think about settling for 4.8Ghz......
in case I wasn't clear, 72C on the CPU is WHY it's not stable. If the CPU is 72C the VRMs are probably hotter than that.
Edited by NoNewEgg4Me - 6/1/13 at 4:12pm
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I would be unhappy if my temps were reaching 61C while playing a game. That would tell me that during a true 8 core load its going to be to hot. As long as you are happy though!

Yes i know but the main thing what i do is gaming.

I am looking for custom loop soon so it will be much cooler than thumb.gif
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1. First off, you should really read about BIOS and PC and so on. Of course I cannot teach you 10-20 years experience nor I'm a professional teacher nor I get paid for it. I just wanted to say you can make OC and finding your sweet spot faster with software and you don't need to reboot so often. Of course in BIOS there is something more but the main purpose of the bios is only to get the cpu running so that it can load the mbr from the disk and then it gives total control to the OS. Hence you can erase the CMOS from Windows and most likely your OC settings is gone? How would you do that if you think of the BIOS is controlling everything? Programming a chipset driver isn't a rocket science either, actually is all happens now and from other human being.
I cannot say anything about your bad experience with software OC but most likely if don't put some serious effort in something you can quickly say it's bad it's nothing to me. It's like your job when you choose a job you aren't always satisfied with your choice and then it also happen you must jump over your shadows to enjoy it?

2. I think my cpu is just starving. But it's good to know where I can look when my temp is going to far.

Ok last time, because this is a debate that's almost not even worth having. And I don't want to get in what's starting to feel like a pissing contest with, but probably not for the reasons you might assume. Just two thing's
1.) "Hence you can erase the CMOS from Windows and most likely your OC settings is gone?" (??) what? "CMOS" dosn't exist within windows it's a set of instructions written into a chip on the mother board and if you DID somehow manage to corrupt it or wipe it out you be done. No Post up no nothing. Plus which stop me if I'm wrong but "CMOS" is a term that isn't even used any more, now it's just BIOS which is in the process of being replaced by what "UFIBIOS"? and technology marches on and on bla bla bla...
2.) as for teaching me 10-20 years of experience, dude, I tried hard to be civil in my response as I am now, I'd appreciate the same, and just for the record, my first computer was a TANDY-1000 and I cut my teeth in college on a trash-80 and an IBM main-frame that HAD A CARD READER and 7-track TAPES, (reels the size of an LP)
BOTTOM LINE? You like to use software to OC, I'm fine with manual BIOS settings. Whatever, no big deal. Each to his own. "That's what makes horse races" and all all that.
I'll let you have the last word if you want it and I'm sure you do, but I'm done with this particular debate.

Peace bro, happy tweakin'!
Edited by NoNewEgg4Me - 6/1/13 at 4:48pm
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1. First off, you should really read about BIOS and PC and so on. Of course I cannot teach you 10-20 years experience nor I'm a professional teacher nor I get paid for it. I just wanted to say you can make OC and finding your sweet spot faster with software and you don't need to reboot so often. Of course in BIOS there is something more but the main purpose of the bios is only to get the cpu running so that it can load the mbr from the disk and then it gives total control to the OS. Hence you can erase the CMOS from Windows and most likely your OC settings is gone? How would you do that if you think of the BIOS is controlling everything? Programming a chipset driver isn't a rocket science either, actually is all happens now.
I cannot say anything about your bad experience with software OC but most likely if you don't put some serious effort in something you can quickly get also frustrated. It's like your job when you choose a job you aren't always satisfied with your choice and then it can also happen you must make small compromise to enjoy it?

2. I think my cpu is just starving. But it's good to know where I can look when my temp is going to far.

I agree that software overclocking can make things easier. However its been my experience that voltage control and stuff isn't so hot. I prefer doing my overclock from the BIOS. When push comes to shove the BIOS will always load what I have it set too, many things can prevent software from doing its job. It user preference really, there is no wrong way to do it.

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Yes i know but the main thing what i do is gaming.

I am looking for custom loop soon so it will be much cooler than thumb.gif

I'm debating on getting back into the custom loop train or just buying a H100i. I had a custom loop on my FX-55 a few years back but remembering to put water in it was my downfall lol. I really like the closed loop systems I don't have to worry about refilling.
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Ok last time, because this is a debate that's almost not even worth having. And I don't want to get in what's starting to feel like a pissing contest with, but probably not for the reasons you might assume. Just two thing's
1.) "Hence you can erase the CMOS from Windows and most likely your OC settings is gone?" (??) what? "CMOS" dosn't exist within windows it's a set of instructions written into a chip on the mother board and if you DID somehow manage to corrupt it or wipe it out you be done. No Post up no nothing. Plus which stop me if I'm wrong but "CMOS" is a term that isn't even used any more, now it's just BIOS which is in the process of being replaced by what "UFIBIOS"? and technology marches on and on bla bla bla...
2.) as for teaching me 10-20 years of experience, dude, I tried hard to be civil in my response as I am now, I'd appreciate the same, and just for the record, my first computer was a TANDY-1000 and I cut my teeth in college on a trash-80 and an IBM main-frame that HAD A CARD READER and 7-track TAPES, (reels the size of an LP)
BOTTOM LINE? You like to use software to OC, I'm fine with manual BIOS settings. Whatever, no big deal. Each to his own. "That's what makes horse races" and all all that.
I'll let you have the last word if you want it and I'm sure you do, but I'm done with this particular debate.

Peace bro, happy tweakin'!

Oh man, I remember the good old "trash 80" Good times for sure. I had a 8in floppy drive in that bad boy too. My first *serious* build was an AMD 386 DX40 with 4mb of RAM. Jesus I'm old. lol It's absolutely amazing how far things have come in just a few decades.
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I agree that software overclocking can make things easier. However its been my experience that voltage control and stuff isn't so hot. I prefer doing my overclock from the BIOS. When push comes to shove the BIOS will always load what I have it set too, many things can prevent software from doing its job. It user preference really, there is no wrong way to do it.
I'm debating on getting back into the custom loop train or just buying a H100i. I had a custom loop on my FX-55 a few years back but remembering to put water in it was my downfall lol. I really like the closed loop systems I don't have to worry about refilling.
Oh man, I remember the good old "trash 80" Good times for sure. I had a 8in floppy drive in that bad boy too. My first *serious* build was an AMD 386 DX40 with 4mb of RAM. Jesus I'm old. lol It's absolutely amazing how far things have come in just a few decades.

My first "serious build" was an Intel, DX4-100, I don't recall how much RAM, 2mb maybe ONE? (I got yer "old" riiiiight here ozz!)
Edited by NoNewEgg4Me - 6/1/13 at 5:15pm
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I had an Intel DX2-66 then went to an AMD DX4-120, that sucker could run Duke Nukem 3d at 1024x768 lol
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