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First off, make sure your using the latest memtest86+ CLICK HERE

(Added: Memtest86+ 5.00 RC1 forum link)

and yes, that is a extreme memory / NB stability issue...

Bump your CPU/NB voltage to ~ 1.225v and keep your memory close to it's rated spec speed using the memory dividers.

This will help your in your OC quest...

Just a FTI, that version consistently gives me errors at 0x274f0 and 0x274f8 (test5) on 3 different sets of RAM... even with stock BIOS settings
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I used HWinfo, HWmonitor (turned on the hidden sensors) Blackbox, SpeedFan, Open HWMonitor and so on, none of them showed the extra 6 temp sensor you mention.. only the CPU and the NB was showing.

http://www.overclock.net/g/i/1381712/a/912712/official-fx-8320-fx-8350-vishera-owners-club/sort/display_order
click original to see it
i think you need to select low level IO acess iirc
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well already talked to asus support and they helped me setup an rma gonna try putting my bios to default settings first though before actually sending it in.
you mean gigabyte?
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I mean the whole slot basically is gone. i dont need it, im just wondering if this will affect anything else tongue.gif

as long as nothing is shorted you will be fine. it will be like you are not using it
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I used a glue that has the most pressure resistance from home depot, this one I used can withstand 200lbs of pressure and its only 5bucks LOL.


Anyways here's a pic of how it looks like, it looks ugly really up close as the pics coz I really went overboard on the glue amount to be sure it sticks there, and now that I've taken pictures up close I never really seen those dust (off to walmart to get some air cans! xD)



Thanks for the update. In this thread I've seen 3 basic approaches to mounting the Thermalright HR-09U heatsink on the GA-990FXA-UD3 mobo (revision 3.0 in my case):

1) zip tie (no brackets),
2) bolts, washers, nuts (no brackets),
3) modified brackets (your approach).

I purchased the Thermalright HR-09U heatsink, along with 2 Fractal Design 40mm fans, with the intention of mounting them to the heatsink, and in turn mount the whole assemply in place of the stock VRM heatsink. But the brackets threw a wrench in those plans, until I heard about the 3 mods mentioned above. In the meantime, while trying to decide on which mod I would use, I removed the stock heatsink, attached one of the 40mm fans to it, and reattached it to the mobo. The complication is I recently installed a Corsair H80i liquid CPU cooler, and the only place I could mount my Cooler Master Haf 912 case was to the rear fan exhaust port. It has a thick radiator and 2 fans in a push pull config, hence it sticks far into the case, and the innermost fan sits right above the stock heatsink. This added to the excessive heat in the VRM area, by reducing airflow. I had run Prime95 Small FFT tests after installing the H80i, and monitored temps with a thermal probe stuck between the fins at the top end of the stock heatsink. When it reached 78 C, I stopped the tests. Adding the single 40mm fan to the stock heatsink lowered the temps during Prime95 Small FFT to about 63C. See below for pics of stock heatsink with fan.





I decided to try the simplest mod (zip tie), since I wasn't able to get to the hardware store right away. Only problem is, I had a big bag of zip ties, that fit the mount holes, but each was only 4 inches long. So I first zip tied both 40mm fans onto the Thermalright HR-09U heatsink, then daisy-chained 3 zip-ties to mount the HR-09U/fans to the mobo. Unfortunately, I couldn't get a thermal probe set in a place on the heatsink, since the whole heatsink was exposed to the attached fans and would affect the readings. See below for pics of the Thermalright HR-09U with attached fans (both unmounted and mounted with zip ties).





Even though I have no thermal probe on the new VRM heatsink, I can see a benefit in terms of CPU temps. Prior to any modifications (and with the Corsair H80i cooler installed), running Prime95 Small FFT yielded temperatures over 60 C. After adding the single 40mm fan on the stock heatsink, running Prime95 Small FFT yielded temps around 56 C. And after installing the Thermalright HR-09U with 2 40mm fans, Prime95 Small FFT maxed at 46.3 C. So a big difference. The bottomline, a cooler VRM equates to a cooler CPU.

I passed the Prime95 Blend and Small FFT tests with a 4.5 GHz overclock (using just CPU Clock Ratio), and never exceed 50C. I use HWiNFO64 to monitor temps, freqs, volts, etc. Unfortunately, even though the addition of the HR-09U with 2 fans improves things, one of the deficiencies of the GA-990FXA-UD3 still rears its ugly head.... vdroop and consequently throttling. It's not as prevalent as before installing the HR-09U, but it still happens. I did monitor with HWiNFO64, while running various gaming benchmarks, the futuremark suit of tests, passmark performance test 8.0, cinebench, etc.... The only vdroop/throttling occurs while stablility testing with either Prime95 or IBT. So, I suppose that's the upside... that normal usage doesn't exhibit vdroop/throttling, and stability testing passes (although it does exhibit vdroop/throttling).

Prior to the installation of the HR-09U, I did briefly OC at higher freqs...such as 4.9 Ghz and even 5.0 GHz....but I never tried stability testing for fear of melting the VRM circuitry! I could probably OC higher than my current 4.5 GHz, but I'm not sure I should bother, since I'm convinced the UD3 does indeed have a weak VRM circuit. But at least I feel more confident in my mobo with the HR-09/fans installed. rolleyes.gif
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Just a little FYI. Might save someone someone some stress.

I seem to have run into a bug in memtest86 (mt500b1) and was going crazy thinking I had bad hardware because I kept getting this same error intermittently - usually after a few successful passes - even at stock speeds...

I tried I read on that forum a little and it seems to be a known problem. I got it with several sets of RAM. Its always the same address.

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Yes I do mean gigabyte. I have an Asus router I'm also busy rmaing as it drops the 5ghz band a couple times a day for a few minutes
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Thanks for the update. In this thread I've seen 3 basic approaches to mounting the Thermalright HR-09U heatsink on the GA-990FXA-UD3 mobo (revision 3.0 in my case):

1) zip tie (no brackets),
2) bolts, washers, nuts (no brackets),
3) modified brackets (your approach).

I purchased the Thermalright HR-09U heatsink, along with 2 Fractal Design 40mm fans, with the intention of mounting them to the heatsink, and in turn mount the whole assemply in place of the stock VRM heatsink. But the brackets threw a wrench in those plans, until I heard about the 3 mods mentioned above. In the meantime, while trying to decide on which mod I would use, I removed the stock heatsink, attached one of the 40mm fans to it, and reattached it to the mobo. The complication is I recently installed a Corsair H80i liquid CPU cooler, and the only place I could mount my Cooler Master Haf 912 case was to the rear fan exhaust port. It has a thick radiator and 2 fans in a push pull config, hence it sticks far into the case, and the innermost fan sits right above the stock heatsink. This added to the excessive heat in the VRM area, by reducing airflow. I had run Prime95 Small FFT tests after installing the H80i, and monitored temps with a thermal probe stuck between the fins at the top end of the stock heatsink. When it reached 78 C, I stopped the tests. Adding the single 40mm fan to the stock heatsink lowered the temps during Prime95 Small FFT to about 63C. See below for pics of stock heatsink with fan.






I decided to try the simplest mod (zip tie), since I wasn't able to get to the hardware store right away. Only problem is, I had a big bag of zip ties, that fit the mount holes, but each was only 4 inches long. So I first zip tied both 40mm fans onto the Thermalright HR-09U heatsink, then daisy-chained 3 zip-ties to mount the HR-09U/fans to the mobo. Unfortunately, I couldn't get a thermal probe set in a place on the heatsink, since the whole heatsink was exposed to the attached fans and would affect the readings. See below for pics of the Thermalright HR-09U with attached fans (both unmounted and mounted with zip ties).





Even though I have no thermal probe on the new VRM heatsink, I can see a benefit in terms of CPU temps. Prior to any modifications (and with the Corsair H80i cooler installed), running Prime95 Small FFT yielded temperatures over 60 C. After adding the single 40mm fan on the stock heatsink, running Prime95 Small FFT yielded temps around 56 C. And after installing the Thermalright HR-09U with 2 40mm fans, Prime95 Small FFT maxed at 46.3 C. So a big difference. The bottomline, a cooler VRM equates to a cooler CPU.

I passed the Prime95 Blend and Small FFT tests with a 4.5 GHz overclock (using just CPU Clock Ratio), and never exceed 50C. I use HWiNFO64 to monitor temps, freqs, volts, etc. Unfortunately, even though the addition of the HR-09U with 2 fans improves things, one of the deficiencies of the GA-990FXA-UD3 still rears its ugly head.... vdroop and consequently throttling. It's not as prevalent as before installing the HR-09U, but it still happens. I did monitor with HWiNFO64, while running various gaming benchmarks, the futuremark suit of tests, passmark performance test 8.0, cinebench, etc.... The only vdroop/throttling occurs while stablility testing with either Prime95 or IBT. So, I suppose that's the upside... that normal usage doesn't exhibit vdroop/throttling, and stability testing passes (although it does exhibit vdroop/throttling).

Prior to the installation of the HR-09U, I did briefly OC at higher freqs...such as 4.9 Ghz and even 5.0 GHz....but I never tried stability testing for fear of melting the VRM circuitry! I could probably OC higher than my current 4.5 GHz, but I'm not sure I should bother, since I'm convinced the UD3 does indeed have a weak VRM circuit. But at least I feel more confident in my mobo with the HR-09/fans installed. rolleyes.gif




46C is still pretty high compared to what I am seeing with mine, I got my daily clocks at 4.8Ghz and the max I've seen the MOSFET temp goes is 39C, I guess that revision of the board really has some design problem that causes the VRM temps to go really high.


I just can't go to 5Ghz daily clocks coz of temps, voltage wise I am ok but the temps get so high at 1.5v its just too much (1.575 after LLC kicks in, LLC set to extreme) now at 4.8Ghz CPU socket temp barely gets over 62C and core temp 49C. altho I am using watercooling.



I plan on removing the fans that I have on it, turning them off only took 3C difference and at 42C its still acceptable specially considering my daily clocks on my 8350 is 4.8Ghz which is above the average daily overclock of users of this CPU.


And I'm thinking of putting one of the 40mm fans on the NB heatsink instead. altho even the NB barely goes over 40C LOL.


Ambient temp of 28C if you're curious what's the ambient temp.
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Thanks for the update. In this thread I've seen 3 basic approaches to mounting the Thermalright HR-09U heatsink on the GA-990FXA-UD3 mobo (revision 3.0 in my case):

1) zip tie (no brackets),
2) bolts, washers, nuts (no brackets),
3) modified brackets (your approach).

I purchased the Thermalright HR-09U heatsink, along with 2 Fractal Design 40mm fans, with the intention of mounting them to the heatsink, and in turn mount the whole assemply in place of the stock VRM heatsink. But the brackets threw a wrench in those plans, until I heard about the 3 mods mentioned above. In the meantime, while trying to decide on which mod I would use, I removed the stock heatsink, attached one of the 40mm fans to it, and reattached it to the mobo. The complication is I recently installed a Corsair H80i liquid CPU cooler, and the only place I could mount my Cooler Master Haf 912 case was to the rear fan exhaust port. It has a thick radiator and 2 fans in a push pull config, hence it sticks far into the case, and the innermost fan sits right above the stock heatsink. This added to the excessive heat in the VRM area, by reducing airflow. I had run Prime95 Small FFT tests after installing the H80i, and monitored temps with a thermal probe stuck between the fins at the top end of the stock heatsink. When it reached 78 C, I stopped the tests. Adding the single 40mm fan to the stock heatsink lowered the temps during Prime95 Small FFT to about 63C. See below for pics of stock heatsink with fan.





I decided to try the simplest mod (zip tie), since I wasn't able to get to the hardware store right away. Only problem is, I had a big bag of zip ties, that fit the mount holes, but each was only 4 inches long. So I first zip tied both 40mm fans onto the Thermalright HR-09U heatsink, then daisy-chained 3 zip-ties to mount the HR-09U/fans to the mobo. Unfortunately, I couldn't get a thermal probe set in a place on the heatsink, since the whole heatsink was exposed to the attached fans and would affect the readings. See below for pics of the Thermalright HR-09U with attached fans (both unmounted and mounted with zip ties).





Even though I have no thermal probe on the new VRM heatsink, I can see a benefit in terms of CPU temps. Prior to any modifications (and with the Corsair H80i cooler installed), running Prime95 Small FFT yielded temperatures over 60 C. After adding the single 40mm fan on the stock heatsink, running Prime95 Small FFT yielded temps around 56 C. And after installing the Thermalright HR-09U with 2 40mm fans, Prime95 Small FFT maxed at 46.3 C. So a big difference. The bottomline, a cooler VRM equates to a cooler CPU.

I passed the Prime95 Blend and Small FFT tests with a 4.5 GHz overclock (using just CPU Clock Ratio), and never exceed 50C. I use HWiNFO64 to monitor temps, freqs, volts, etc. Unfortunately, even though the addition of the HR-09U with 2 fans improves things, one of the deficiencies of the GA-990FXA-UD3 still rears its ugly head.... vdroop and consequently throttling. It's not as prevalent as before installing the HR-09U, but it still happens. I did monitor with HWiNFO64, while running various gaming benchmarks, the futuremark suit of tests, passmark performance test 8.0, cinebench, etc.... The only vdroop/throttling occurs while stablility testing with either Prime95 or IBT. So, I suppose that's the upside... that normal usage doesn't exhibit vdroop/throttling, and stability testing passes (although it does exhibit vdroop/throttling).

Prior to the installation of the HR-09U, I did briefly OC at higher freqs...such as 4.9 Ghz and even 5.0 GHz....but I never tried stability testing for fear of melting the VRM circuitry! I could probably OC higher than my current 4.5 GHz, but I'm not sure I should bother, since I'm convinced the UD3 does indeed have a weak VRM circuit. But at least I feel more confident in my mobo with the HR-09/fans installed. rolleyes.gif


That's hefty improvement on your part. Very neat installation of the HR-09 too..

I too can attest to your statement that a cooler VRM would yield you a cooler CPU. I have this thing installed on my VRMs. Guess what it is. lol



Yes, it's a custom made VRM heatsink. Basically the stock CPU cooler that came with my 8320 cut in half, desoldered and resoldered back to that shape. Got a couple of heat pipes and basically larger than the HR-09 (these things were very hard to find in my country so I decided to MOD my stock cooler smile.gif ) I haven't installed a fan on it though.

Before installing it, I can get any stability on 4.8. Not just because of the temps but also because I felt like pushing those VRMs to their limits. On stock VRM sinks, I'm hitting the 70's at 4.8 @ 1.5Volts right away. Lowering the V's is not an option as it does cause me lock-ups. So I'm stuck at 4.67 with temps hitting 60s

Now, at 4.8 and 1.44Volts, I can run Aida64 Stability without issues with temps up to the lower 60's. I know AIDA can't give you the stress like Prime but on a daily usage, AIDA prove my stability guaranteed. But my point is, IMO If your VRMs are cooler, you can still find stability on lower voltages as the VRMs can still give the CPU enough juice in terms of current. smile.gif

In short, I'm now running my 4.8 at identical temps to what I'm getting at 4.67. With the same voltages. thumb.gif
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46C is still pretty high compared to what I am seeing with mine, I got my daily clocks at 4.8Ghz and the max I've seen the MOSFET temp goes is 39C, I guess that revision of the board really has some design problem that causes the VRM temps to go really high.


I just can't go to 5Ghz daily clocks coz of temps, voltage wise I am ok but the temps get so high at 1.5v its just too much (1.575 after LLC kicks in, LLC set to extreme) now at 4.8Ghz CPU socket temp barely gets over 62C and core temp 49C. altho I am using watercooling.



I plan on removing the fans that I have on it, turning them off only took 3C difference and at 42C its still acceptable specially considering my daily clocks on my 8350 is 4.8Ghz which is above the average daily overclock of users of this CPU.


And I'm thinking of putting one of the 40mm fans on the NB heatsink instead. altho even the NB barely goes over 40C LOL.


Ambient temp of 28C if you're curious what's the ambient temp.

Are you also watercooling your NB?

Cause if you do then your argument about your NB temps can be true. At stock volage and frequency, the NB is way hotter than what your CPU can get on air. Touch it to believe. No software IMO reports the Exact Temps on UD3's NB. It's just way too hot to touch I'm guessing it past the 70's. Or maybe you still have the stock thermal tape on it. I have removed mine in exchange for a PK-1 and screwed it firmly back to the Mobo so contact is guaranteed. That NB sink is toasting. Tough I prefer it that the sinks get hot so assure Thermal conductance is good. My stock CPU fan is screwed to that NB now.
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Thanks for the update. In this thread I've seen 3 basic approaches to mounting the Thermalright HR-09U heatsink on the GA-990FXA-UD3 mobo (revision 3.0 in my case):

1) zip tie (no brackets),
2) bolts, washers, nuts (no brackets),
3) modified brackets (your approach).

I purchased the Thermalright HR-09U heatsink, along with 2 Fractal Design 40mm fans, with the intention of mounting them to the heatsink, and in turn mount the whole assemply in place of the stock VRM heatsink. But the brackets threw a wrench in those plans, until I heard about the 3 mods mentioned above. In the meantime, while trying to decide on which mod I would use, I removed the stock heatsink, attached one of the 40mm fans to it, and reattached it to the mobo. The complication is I recently installed a Corsair H80i liquid CPU cooler, and the only place I could mount my Cooler Master Haf 912 case was to the rear fan exhaust port. It has a thick radiator and 2 fans in a push pull config, hence it sticks far into the case, and the innermost fan sits right above the stock heatsink. This added to the excessive heat in the VRM area, by reducing airflow. I had run Prime95 Small FFT tests after installing the H80i, and monitored temps with a thermal probe stuck between the fins at the top end of the stock heatsink. When it reached 78 C, I stopped the tests. Adding the single 40mm fan to the stock heatsink lowered the temps during Prime95 Small FFT to about 63C. See below for pics of stock heatsink with fan.





I decided to try the simplest mod (zip tie), since I wasn't able to get to the hardware store right away. Only problem is, I had a big bag of zip ties, that fit the mount holes, but each was only 4 inches long. So I first zip tied both 40mm fans onto the Thermalright HR-09U heatsink, then daisy-chained 3 zip-ties to mount the HR-09U/fans to the mobo. Unfortunately, I couldn't get a thermal probe set in a place on the heatsink, since the whole heatsink was exposed to the attached fans and would affect the readings. See below for pics of the Thermalright HR-09U with attached fans (both unmounted and mounted with zip ties).





Even though I have no thermal probe on the new VRM heatsink, I can see a benefit in terms of CPU temps. Prior to any modifications (and with the Corsair H80i cooler installed), running Prime95 Small FFT yielded temperatures over 60 C. After adding the single 40mm fan on the stock heatsink, running Prime95 Small FFT yielded temps around 56 C. And after installing the Thermalright HR-09U with 2 40mm fans, Prime95 Small FFT maxed at 46.3 C. So a big difference. The bottomline, a cooler VRM equates to a cooler CPU.

I passed the Prime95 Blend and Small FFT tests with a 4.5 GHz overclock (using just CPU Clock Ratio), and never exceed 50C. I use HWiNFO64 to monitor temps, freqs, volts, etc. Unfortunately, even though the addition of the HR-09U with 2 fans improves things, one of the deficiencies of the GA-990FXA-UD3 still rears its ugly head.... vdroop and consequently throttling. It's not as prevalent as before installing the HR-09U, but it still happens. I did monitor with HWiNFO64, while running various gaming benchmarks, the futuremark suit of tests, passmark performance test 8.0, cinebench, etc.... The only vdroop/throttling occurs while stablility testing with either Prime95 or IBT. So, I suppose that's the upside... that normal usage doesn't exhibit vdroop/throttling, and stability testing passes (although it does exhibit vdroop/throttling).

Prior to the installation of the HR-09U, I did briefly OC at higher freqs...such as 4.9 Ghz and even 5.0 GHz....but I never tried stability testing for fear of melting the VRM circuitry! I could probably OC higher than my current 4.5 GHz, but I'm not sure I should bother, since I'm convinced the UD3 does indeed have a weak VRM circuit. But at least I feel more confident in my mobo with the HR-09/fans installed. rolleyes.gif


That's hefty improvement on your part. Very neat installation of the HR-09 too..

I too can attest to your statement that a cooler VRM would yield you a cooler CPU. I have this thing installed on my VRMs. Guess what it is. lol



Yes, it's a custom made VRM heatsink. Basically the stock CPU cooler that came with my 8320 cut in half, desoldered and resoldered back to that shape. Got a couple of heat pipes and basically larger than the HR-09 (these things were very hard to find in my country so I decided to MOD my stock cooler smile.gif ) I haven't installed a fan on it though.

Before installing it, I can't get any stability on 4.8. Not just because of the temps but also because I felt like pushing those VRMs to their limits. On stock VRM sinks, I'm hitting the 70's at 4.8 @ 1.5Volts right away. Lowering the V's is not an option as it does cause me lock-ups. So I'm stuck at 4.67 with temps hitting 60s

Now, at 4.8 and 1.44Volts, I can run Aida64 Stability without issues with temps up to the lower 60's. I know AIDA can't give you the stress like Prime but on a daily usage, AIDA prove my stability guaranteed. But my point is, IMO If your VRMs are cooler, you can still find stability on lower voltages as the VRMs can still give the CPU enough juice in terms of current. smile.gif

In short, I'm now running my 4.8 at identical temps to what I'm getting at 4.67. With the same voltages. thumb.gif
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46C is still pretty high compared to what I am seeing with mine, I got my daily clocks at 4.8Ghz and the max I've seen the MOSFET temp goes is 39C, I guess that revision of the board really has some design problem that causes the VRM temps to go really high.


I just can't go to 5Ghz daily clocks coz of temps, voltage wise I am ok but the temps get so high at 1.5v its just too much (1.575 after LLC kicks in, LLC set to extreme) now at 4.8Ghz CPU socket temp barely gets over 62C and core temp 49C. altho I am using watercooling.



I plan on removing the fans that I have on it, turning them off only took 3C difference and at 42C its still acceptable specially considering my daily clocks on my 8350 is 4.8Ghz which is above the average daily overclock of users of this CPU.


And I'm thinking of putting one of the 40mm fans on the NB heatsink instead. altho even the NB barely goes over 40C LOL.


Ambient temp of 28C if you're curious what's the ambient temp.

Are you also watercooling your NB?

Cause if you do then your argument about your NB temps can be true. At stock volage and frequency, the NB is way hotter than what your CPU can get on air. Touch it to believe. No software IMO reports the Exact Temps on UD3's NB. It's just way too hot to touch I'm guessing it past the 70's. Or maybe you still have the stock thermal tape on it. I have removed mine in exchange for a PK-1 and screwed it firmly back to the Mobo so contact is guaranteed. That NB sink is toasting. Tough I prefer it that the sinks get hot to assure Thermal conductance is good. My stock CPU fan is screwed to that NB now.
Edited by mus1mus - 9/14/13 at 2:07am
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Originally Posted by Sazz View Post

46C is still pretty high compared to what I am seeing with mine, I got my daily clocks at 4.8Ghz and the max I've seen the MOSFET temp goes is 39C, I guess that revision of the board really has some design problem that causes the VRM temps to go really high.


I just can't go to 5Ghz daily clocks coz of temps, voltage wise I am ok but the temps get so high at 1.5v its just too much (1.575 after LLC kicks in, LLC set to extreme) now at 4.8Ghz CPU socket temp barely gets over 62C and core temp 49C. altho I am using watercooling.



I plan on removing the fans that I have on it, turning them off only took 3C difference and at 42C its still acceptable specially considering my daily clocks on my 8350 is 4.8Ghz which is above the average daily overclock of users of this CPU.


And I'm thinking of putting one of the 40mm fans on the NB heatsink instead. altho even the NB barely goes over 40C LOL.


Ambient temp of 28C if you're curious what's the ambient temp.

If I recall you said your board revision is 1.1, whereas mine is 3.0, and yes, from what I've read rev 3.0 boards seem to have the worst VRM performance. However, given my previous temps before installing the HR-09U with fans, I'm satisfied with the improvement. smile.gif
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