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I was just making sure you knew. There is a ton of misinformation about AMD out there. Benchmarks showing average doesn't show the min fps.

If you're buying AMD because of cost, it's a good enough deal. If you're buying because you think you'll somehow be able to get intel performance, than you're in for a rough, costly future.

The min fps are where these cpus tank hardcore. Dropping from 60, to 35 fps in a game is an issue which can't be overstated. steady 35 fps is playable, dropping from 60 to 35 looks like a onscreen mess.

yea of course I'm choosing AMD because of the price I would get a 4770k If I could.

But check my post up there I updated it with some nice Info and you can see a comparison, to be honest I'm not sure which games you get those FPS drops it would be nice if you told us.

And which resolution ? did you try lowering a bit the AA or the Shadows, things like can can take alot on your CPU depending the game.

Seriously sounds odd that you get such bad FPS drops maybe something is wrong, especially with a 780, maybe the intel got more MIN FPS but shouldn't thaat bad as you describe.

And yes benchmarks that show average doesn't always show Min FPS but the MIN FPS should affect directly the average FPS at least from my understanding, I thought it was how FRAPS worked, so look up the numbers again on most of these games, it's really not that bad.

Maybe we need more feedback from other peoples on that because I'm just speculating there

Here is my general CPU section post http://www.overclock.net/t/1458883/amd-vs-intel-comparison-inside-stricly-gaming

I updated the post to ask if anyone had bad experience with that.
Edited by StrongForce - 1/13/14 at 2:15pm
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yea of course I'm choosing AMD because of the price I would get a 4770k If I could.

But check my post up there I updated it with some nice Info and you can see a comparison, to be honest I'm not sure which games you get those FPS drops it would be nice if you told us.

And which resolution ? did you try lowering a bit the AA or the Shadows, things like can can take alot on your CPU depending the game.

I play at 1080p, with a GTX 780. Lowering settings tend to not have a huge affect on the fps. AA has no affect on most of the issues I mention.

Some games,

Skrim - Any town or city will drop to 40 -45. Some as low as 35ish. This causes a skipping screen appearance. Also, if I'm in 3rd person around a town, and spin, the camera skip badly once facing a town. This will do this basically no matter the graphics setting, but, I'm not setting my graphics to medium with a GTX 780.

Oblivion - Same as skyrim.

Neverwinter - drops hard fps in some areas 30ish. Once again, settings have little affect on the end drop. It will play slightly smoother, but, the fps will drop where it drops.

FarCry 2 - maintains 60 fps though most of the game, but, in towns will drop to the 35 - 40. I don't remember which, since I haven't played in a while.

Dead island riptide - A part in the game you're over ran by zombies, the fps drops hard. I'm thinking 15 - 20.

State of Decay - This is poorly optimized, but, it is almost unplayable at times using an AMD CPU. This game likes CPU, and even while maintaining a decent fps, the game will stutter.

Boardlands 2 - Many spots where it drops to 40 - 45. Lowest I noticed was maybe 38. Another one that settings don't fix.

The list could go on forever. There have been very few games, that at some point the fps wont' drop hard on using this CPU. Most of the drops I mention, are not affected by settings in game.

Once again, I point to my GPU. Playing at 1080p, there aren't many games which this card can't handle at high - max graphics settings. I've messed with various settings, and none seem to work. What I haven't done while using this card, is drop all the way to down to something I think is unrealistic, such as medium. If I'm dropping fps, it isn't because of the GPU, it's the CPU.

Oh, my OC right now is 4.4, maxed at 4.6. Going from 4.4, to 4.6 has little, if any affect. Now, with my current cooling, and my oc, my CPU temps stay sub 50c. So, overheating isn't the issue. My CPU also does not throttle, or drop voltage.



Benchmarks usually show the game, in one or two spots, it doesn't represent what happens in real world gaming. In real world gaming these CPUs get bogged down far too easily. I only wish I knew how to read between the benchmark lines like I do now, when I got this CPU. I'd of spent the extra cash on Intel from the start.

It is what it is. I know I'll be replacing this CPU soon. It's good enough, but, I want better. If you're the type that can't stand farts in your fps/gameplay, I'd stay away. If it doesn't bother you, than you'll be golden. Just try not to do like I've done and spend more in the long run, trying to save a few bucks.
     
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Give me a little while, and I'll make a video of dropping fps in skyrim. You'll see what I mean. The game flows perfectly, expect when it doesn't. I'm not sure how the drops will play out once converted to something I can upload, as my upload bandwidth is fairly limited.

=D I'll enjoy the chance to use Shadow play. It doesn't affect the fps, since Skyrim doesn't even use 50% GPU usage half of the time, and likes to hover in the 30%.
     
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Well, in my case it was budget...I knew it would not be the best option but price-wise it definitely was one! smile.gif
I do lots of multi-tasking and that 6300 really shines and for games I don't run any other than FSX.
As for the haswell i7 they are still pricey and they require a very good mobo which is roughly 50$+ than mine. going haswell would have cost me almost 200$ extra which I didn't have.
Hey my 6300 @ 4.365Ghz with a max temp of 46C in FSX I am a darn happy camper smile.gif
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OK, here is a video of what I'm talking about. Now, it runs very smooth, but, in other games, with more action, that drop can be killer. This game doesn't drop outside of towns luckily (unless you're right by one).

It also seems to have benefited majorly from me increasing my OC to 4.4. This obviously a good thing.

Maxed @ 1080p w/high res texture pack (Using Fxaa). I didn't think about disabling Fxaa.


Once again, the game runs very smooth, but, it still drops hard core fps in some areas. In a game more action oriented, these fps drops can be killer.

Sorry about the VQ, I simply lack the upload bandwidth to upload higher quality, Also, I'm not exactly an experienced video producer here.
Edited by Chargeit - 1/13/14 at 3:40pm
     
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yea lows 40 does feel low for this card, maybe something is up, everything up to date, what about your RAM speeds, and are they running at the proper settings/voltage? I did remember that skyrim didn't ran maxed on my setup it's a pretty heavy game(at times like you say).

Also try to cut the antialiasing by half see if it helps
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AA has no affect, it's amazing how little AA seems to affect the fps using my current card.

My rams running @ 1600, and healthy. I'm even using the profile it came with, so, I didn't OC it myself.

It isn't the card causing the low fps, it's the FX 8320. It does the same thing in Oblivion, and other games. There are just spots where this CPU can't hang.


Once again, it's very playable in Skyrim, and most likely you wouldn't notice many of the drops, but, in a faster game that does it, it can be killer.


*I still have to note again, that outside of towns, it stays at 60 fps. So, in Skyrim at least, you will be able to keep 60 fps 90% of the time.
     
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Of course 8320 is bad in skyrim. It's x87 instructions, which bulldozer/piledriver absolutely suck at. If skyrim is a very important game to you, don't buy AMD CPU obviously.
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Of course 8320 is bad in skyrim. It's x87 instructions, which bulldozer/piledriver absolutely suck at. If skyrim is a very important game to you, don't buy AMD CPU obviously.

Man, lets not act like these things can't be hidden at times.

If you look at some of the benchmarks, that one said skyrim pulls 72 fps. Now, when you're just getting into looking at these things, you're assuming that means it can hold 60 fps.

Also, most people aren't quick to show their vulnerabilities. I could easily make a video of skyrim pulling nothing but 60 if I wanted to, fighting a dragon and all. This is what you tend to see online.

The fact is, there countless instances of these CPUs dropping into the 30's or 40's. There really isn't much excuse for it, if you ask me.

I'm not asking for a CPU to pull straight 120, I just want 60. I had assumed from benchmarks that a AMD cpu could pull it. I was wrong.

Anyway, I'm just being real about the performance these CPU's have. There are very few games I've played that these CPUs can maintain 60 fps.
     
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OK, here is a video of what I'm talking about. Now, it runs very smooth, but, in other games, with more action, that drop can be killer. This game doesn't drop outside of towns luckily (unless you're right by one).

It also seems to have benefited majorly from me increasing my OC to 4.4. This obviously a good thing.

Maxed @ 1080p w/high res texture pack (Using Fxaa). I didn't think about disabling Fxaa.

Once again, the game runs very smooth, but, it still drops hard core fps in some areas. In a game more action oriented, these fps drops can be killer.

Sorry about the VQ, I simply lack the upload bandwidth to upload higher quality, Also, I'm not exactly an experienced video producer here.

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Of course 8320 is bad in skyrim. It's x87 instructions, which bulldozer/piledriver absolutely suck at. If skyrim is a very important game to you, don't buy AMD CPU obviously.

Man, lets not act like these things can't be hidden at times.

If you look at some of the benchmarks, that one said skyrim pulls 72 fps. Now, when you're just getting into looking at these things, you're assuming that means it can hold 60 fps.

Also, most people aren't quick to show their vulnerabilities. I could easily make a video of skyrim pulling nothing but 60 if I wanted to, fighting a dragon and all. This is what you tend to see online.

The fact is, there countless instances of these CPUs dropping into the 30's or 40's. There really isn't much excuse for it, if you ask me.

I'm not asking for a CPU to pull straight 120, I just want 60. I had assumed from benchmarks that a AMD cpu could pull it. I was wrong.

Anyway, I'm just being real about the performance these CPU's have. There are very few games I've played that these CPUs can maintain 60 fps.

i still think there is something else wrong, you should be pushing far more then 30-50% gpu, i have no problem pushing quadfire gpus to 99+% yet you have 1 gpu and cant... is your chipset driver up to date ( from amd website? )
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