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I've seen my GPU push more. In farcry 3, my GPU gets up to 70%. I've seen it higher, playing games without using Vsync. The GPU is fine.

1080p isn't very taxing for a 780, and it dropped in the same spots with my old card, just with lower settings. You're running 3 x monitors with your 7970's


I'm running heaven, and my GPU usage reads 99%
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yet anything more is too much for the memory bandwidth biggrin.gifrolleyes.gif hence why i own amd, i should just buy skyrim and play it just to see how "bad" it is with amd for meself !

( not a pot shot at you but everyone always brings up skirm )
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yet anything more is too much for the memory bandwidth biggrin.gifrolleyes.gif hence why i own amd, i should just buy skyrim and play it just to see how "bad" it is with amd for meself !

( not a pot shot at you but everyone always brings up skirm )

I bought the GPU because it was overkill. thumb.gif I don't want my GPU to struggle.

I'd suggest getting Skyrim, but, wait until it's on sale. You can find the base game for $7.50 on steam, $20.00 with all DLC as a combo on sale.

It runs good man, it just drops fps in towns. You wouldn't know if you weren't looking for most of the time.

Oh, and I've been playing the Elder Scrolls games since the 90's.
     
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The fact is, there countless instances of these CPUs dropping into the 30's or 40's. There really isn't much excuse for it, if you ask me.

I'm not asking for a CPU to pull straight 120, I just want 60. I had assumed from benchmarks that a AMD cpu could pull it. I was wrong.

Anyway, I'm just being real about the performance these CPU's have. There are very few games I've played that these CPUs can maintain 60 fps.

Are you running a CPU monitor and GPU monitor on a secondary monitor to pinpoint the actual bottleneck or are you just assuming that because you have a really powerful video board the problem must be with the CPU?

I don't recall any framerate issues with FarCry 2 and I run 5760x1024 rez... It may just be because I'm not very far in that game at all.

The reason I ask, and I don't remember what game it was, but I had I had an issue where I was getting slowdowns, yet my GPU's were only peeking out at 50% load and the CPUs were not heavily loaded either. I either went on of off the latest beta driver and the frame-rate (about) doubled, but I don't remember the details.

Castlevania Lords of Shadow tends to be thread-bound on one CPU leaving the rest extremely underutilized... That is really the only game I have that runs better on my other machine which is a i7 3770 with GTX 660 TI. That machine can't be overclocked because its an Alienware x51 which is the original steambox type thing. Otherwise the FX typically runs everything just as well if not better.

I'm not arguing one is better than the other, just please make sure the CPU is really the issue...
Edited by bbond007 - 1/13/14 at 5:36pm
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Here's a video of the game using 70 - 90% GPU, and keeping 60fps.

I tired to find a dragon to fight, but, couldn't. It would of stayed at 60.




Not sure why it isn't allowing 720p. It says HD in my video manager.
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Are you running a CPU monitor and GPU monitor on a secondary monitor to pinpoint the actual bottleneck or are you just assuming that because you have a really powerful video board the problem must be with the CPU?

I don't recall any framerate issues with FarCry 2 and I run 5760x1024 rez... It may just be because I'm not very far in that game at all.

The reason I ask, and I don't remember what game it was, but I had I had an issue where I was getting slowdowns, yet my GPU's were only peeking out at 50% load and the CPUs were not heavily loaded either. I either went on of off the latest beta driver and the frame-rate (about) doubled, but I don't remember the details.

Castlevania Lords of Shadow tends to be thread-bound on one CPU leaving the rest extremely underutilized... That is really the only game I have that runs better on my other machine which is a i7 3770 with GTX 660 TI. That machine can't be overclocked because its an Alienware x51 which is the original steambox type thing. Otherwise the FX typically runs everything just as well if not better.

I'm not arguing one is better than the other, just please make sure the CPU is really the issue...

I don't have a 2nd monitor atm. We'll ones coming in tomorrow, but, I'm giving to my ol'lady.

Farcry 2 held fps well, but, there are spots it dropped for me (Facing some spots in town, some outside areas). To be honest however, I don't think I've played it since getting this GPU. I'll have to test it again.

I'll look into it more, I'm letting my GPU run at stock, I still haven't tired overclocking it. I think it adjusts it's self based on the current need.

My thing is, the spots that drop with this GPU, dropped with my old GPU. Such as the places in skyrim (be it at lower settings), and areas in BorderLands 2. I really don't think the GPU is to blame.

Everything else is solid. Now, my ram isn't the greatest, but, it passed stress tests, and is clocked at an acceptable speed (1600). Really, I'd be amazed if the ram was my issue.

So no one else here plays skyrim? To see if their fps drop in the same spots? I know the spots I drop in BorderLands 2, another user on the forum was dropping in the same spot, with the same CPU. That was when I had a HD 7850, him a HD 7870. Well, here I am, with a 780, and the same thing happens in the same spot. The common denominator is the CPU.

It's also worth noting, I tend to be sensitive to these things. Frame timing, drops, they stick out like a sore thumb to me. It's a curse I tell you.
     
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I ended up buying a used Crosshair V Formula Z, here's to hoping I can crank out some nasty OC's with it!

The VRM cooling is insanely better than my little old UD3.

Unfortunately while installing it I messed up my H220 somehow, luckily I'm within the 2 week return/exchange time frame.

At least I have a spare mobo now in case I ever need one!

Thanks for helping me troubleshoot the UD3 guys!
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I don't have a 2nd monitor atm. We'll ones coming in tomorrow, but, I'm giving to my ol'lady.

Farcry 2 held fps well, but, there are spots it dropped for me (Facing some spots in town, some outside areas). To be honest however, I don't think I've played it since getting this GPU. I'll have to test it again.

I'll look into it more, I'm letting my GPU run at stock, I still haven't tired overclocking it. I think it adjusts it's self based on the current need.

My thing is, the spots that drop with this GPU, dropped with my old GPU. Such as the places in skyrim (be it at lower settings), and areas in BorderLands 2. I really don't think the GPU is to blame.

Everything else is solid. Now, my ram isn't the greatest, but, it passed stress tests, and is clocked at an acceptable speed (1600). Really, I'd be amazed if the ram was my issue.

So no one else here plays skyrim? To see if their fps drop in the same spots? I know the spots I drop in BorderLands 2, another user on the forum was dropping in the same spot, with the same CPU. That was when I had a HD 7850, him a HD 7870. Well, here I am, with a 780, and the same thing happens in the same spot. The common denominator is the CPU.

It's also worth noting, I tend to be sensitive to these things. Frame timing, drops, they stick out like a sore thumb to me. It's a curse I tell you.

Have you tried windows 8? For whatever reason people with the FX processor seem to get better more consistent frame-rates with windows 8 compared to windows 7.

I just tried this Castlevania game again, and now its going 70-80 FPS in 5760x1080 pushing those GPUs hard and the CPUs are not maxed at all. The difference is previously I was running 8.1 preview and now I'm running 8.0 and of course I'm on different drivers. Did not reinstall the game....
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The guy I mentioned with borderlands 2 has Windows 8.

I just happen to like games that dislike AMD.

To be honest, even thinking of moving to windows 8, sounds like another vain attempt to throw money at a problem that keeps costing me more and more, without fixing the issue.

Now, the best part is, I'm not even sure that Intel doesn't drop fps in some of the games I mentioned. Like I said before, people tend not to make videos showing off their systems running poorly.

Frankly, I'd love to know, but, unless I know someone with a i7 or something running a 780, and I can see for myself, I'll never know. Not without trying it myself. Word of mouth wouldn't work, since you never know.

Yea, man, I just don't know. I'll check my CPU usage out tomorrow, when that other monitor comes in. I'm 99% sure that it's being CPU limited. If it isn't CPU, than my only other option is ram. But I seriously doubt that. I'd be floored if that was the case. I just don't think ram plays a large enough role, as long as it isn't just slack. I do want to upgrade my ram, to some G. skill 1866 16gb, but, I just want that to have, and, I'll use my current ram in my spare parts pc I"m making for my ol'lady.
     
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The guy I mentioned with borderlands 2 has Windows 8.

I just happen to like games that dislike AMD.

To be honest, even thinking of moving to windows 8, sounds like another vain attempt to throw money at a problem that keeps costing me more and more, without fixing the issue.

Now, the best part is, I'm not even sure that Intel doesn't drop fps in some of the games I mentioned. Like I said before, people tend not to make videos showing off their systems running poorly.

Frankly, I'd love to know, but, unless I know someone with a i7 or something running a 780, and I can see for myself, I'll never know. Not without trying it myself. Word of mouth wouldn't work, since you never know.

Yea, man, I just don't know. I'll check my CPU usage out tomorrow, when that other monitor comes in. I'm 99% sure that it's being CPU limited. If it isn't CPU, than my only other option is ram. But I seriously doubt that. I'd be floored if that was the case. I just don't think ram plays a large enough role, as long as it isn't just slack. I do want to upgrade my ram, to some G. skill 1866 16gb, but, I just want that to have, and, I'll use my current ram in my spare parts pc I"m making for my ol'lady.

I do know CPU benchmark wise my AMD 8320 FX needs to run about 4200GHZ to surpass my i7 which run at 3400GHZ.... AMD is a little slower. no doubt

There might be some sort of remote CPU monitoring APP that you can load on your phone or tablet.

I know both EVGA Precision and MSI Afterburner have components/apps to do this over Bluetooth. Perhaps they report CPU info as well. I never could get it to work because my x51 has no BT. The dongle thing I tried paired but probably was too much a relic to communicate. I thought it was a neat idea though.

I have a pretty older Toshiba Qosimo notebook for when I travel (which is never lately). I did not keep track of benchmark results but it really seemed like Tomb Raider ran quite a bit smoother after I switched to Windows 8. It was actually struggling pretty hard prior and I had fresh windows 7 ultimate OEM (not Toshiba version with shovel-ware). That machine has GTX 460m and an i7 740QM - which is supposed to be a 1.7 GHZ but for whatever reason its always running 2GHZ and I don't complain. I still love this machine(18.4" screen) and Windows 8 made it seem faster for everything. It still games pretty well as the resolution is only 1600x900 and more recently games are better threaded.

So I'm convinced windows 8 helps with at least some games. Some features are just annoying and stupid. Sometimes control panel applets launch into metro full screen apps. That just makes me cringe. I put up with it because I know performance wise it is better.
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