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Put it this way, this year is making me want to start folding 24/7 just for a month to see if I can afford to.
I say try it and you will be in the monthly fold-a-thon as well. You may be able to turn off a few things around you to conserve the energy that you need to fold with and the bill may not change. I even unplug cell phone chargers to anything not used period to keep bill down.

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Put it this way, this year is making me want to start folding 24/7 just for a month to see if I can afford to.
Not sure how you get charged for power there but you can always fold the times of day when the power rates are lower. It could be overnight or just when your not home during the day. You can cut the cost of folding in half by just folding 12 hours a day with the cheaper rates.
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I think I need to chime in here about the discussion being had of how prizes are being distributed (ie ways to identify and favor people who fold regularly). One of the ideas being thrown around is the use of the postbit to easily identify people who are active folders -- the main problem with that is, it's simply inaccurate. Ever since the change from being in the top 1500 folders on the team to a static point amount, as soon as you got your postbit, it no longer goes away now unless you request it deactivated (previously, if you went approximately a month without a points update, the system automatically removed your postbit).

I haven't been able to fold as of late due to a myriad of reasons, but I was able to fold for the CC. Also, since I won an overclocked account last year, I didn't bother sending in my verification of folding, because I didn't want to get into the pool for prizes. That being said, I personally think that restricting prizes or setting up tiers, etc would be problematic and could potentially discourage new folders, which is part of what the CC and other folding competitions is all about.

Yeah, ultimately, it's about the research, not the points, competitions, bragging rights, prizes, etc, but these do make good ways to entice people to come join us, even for a short time. With the way the chimp challenge worked this year, it would have almost been more beneficial to flip the prizes and award the larger prizes to people who dont fold regularly, since that extra participation from outside sources is what helped us to ramp up our production and what will potentially give us a shot at winning if the format is similar next year.

If anything, while we ultimately want people to sign up and fold 24/7/365, those that do would make it more challenging for us to do well in a competition like this (without some tweaking) -- I mean, look at EVGA. They beat us by how many million points this year, and ended up in what, second to last? Yeah, between the two of our teams, we got a ridiculous amount of research done.. but again, if we had instituted a tiered system for people that had postbits versus people that didn't, etc, that may have impacted our ability to draw new folders. Think of their reaction -- 'oh, I could win some sweet folding cards? Oh wait, that's for the top tier people.. i'm eligible for $25 or Portal 1? I already have that, not worth it..'

People may say 'oh, well we dont want those guys folding anyway if they're just doing it for the prizes' -- but I say 'the more (relatively?) warm bodies we get folding for 37726, whenever, wherever, no matter how much or little they can contribute, the better.

I'd suggest breaking down the prizes into a couple of groups, and give the newer folders, the little guys that may not always be able to help out but can, the opportunity to score big to get involved, and consolidate the smaller pool of prizes into a couple of bigger prizes for the 'seasoned folders' per se, and go from there, but I wouldn't want to slight the people that are spending potentially hundreds of dollars a month on electricity, gear, etc to fold for 37726 largely for nothing but the pride and research, since if we lose even a handful of those people, we could easily lose some of our top produces, and then we could start losing ground do the other thousands of teams behind us, and I'm pretty sure that isn't part of our grand scheme either.

TL-DR -- In terms of prizes, the idea is to attract new people to help, even if it's only for short periods of time. If that means giving them access to full pool of goodies for folding for 37726 during the CC, I say we do it.
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TL-DR -- In terms of prizes, the idea is to attract new people to help, even if it's only for short periods of time. If that means giving them access to full pool of goodies for folding for 37726 during the CC, I say we do it.
I snipped your post but you seem to have missed what some of us are advocating.

Low ceiling of entry that still shows some extra effort - Postbit. Yes the ease of getting it is part of that low ceiling this way it is an encouragement more than a deterrent. Will we get more 24/7 folders? This way you will get more than otherwise as some people might get hooked in trying to get a postbit in order to get to a higher tier.

Secondly prizes - it has been advocated that more of the hardware prizes be higher tier, but what is missed here is that it has also been advocated that the lower tier still have access to a few GOOD hardware prizes. So in other words the higher tier would have more hardware prizes available and less lower end prizes.

The lower tier would have more games and small cash prizes with a small handful of hardware and higher end prizes.

This would still give incentive because the one and dones STILL have a shot at a good prize.

Not trying to put you on blast, just used your post as the response because unfortunately I am seeing a lot of other posts completely ignore the idea that it can be tiered and setup to provide incentive that may go beyond the CC, but not setup so as to dissuade people from participating altogether, even the one and dones...
    
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So, how about this for next year. admin prizes (since admin is a nice guy) and games (since Folders don't need games) for all entrants, and then all other gifts for people who Fold a set amount of points during the CC (to be verified by HFM)?
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I snipped your post but you seem to have missed what some of us are advocating.

Low ceiling of entry that still shows some extra effort - Postbit. Yes the ease of getting it is part of that low ceiling this way it is an encouragement more than a deterrent. Will we get more 24/7 folders? This way you will get more than otherwise as some people might get hooked in trying to get a postbit in order to get to a higher tier.

Secondly prizes - it has been advocated that more of the hardware prizes be higher tier, but what is missed here is that it has also been advocated that the lower tier still have access to a few GOOD hardware prizes. So in other words the higher tier would have more hardware prizes available and less lower end prizes.

The lower tier would have more games and small cash prizes with a small handful of hardware and higher end prizes.

This would still give incentive because the one and dones STILL have a shot at a good prize.

Not trying to put you on blast, just used your post as the response because unfortunately I am seeing a lot of other posts completely ignore the idea that it can be tiered and setup to provide incentive that may go beyond the CC, but not setup so as to dissuade people from participating altogether, even the one and dones...
So, effectively, because I used to fold but dont regularly anymore, I should get a chance at better loot during CCs because I have my postbit than someone who folds every day on older hardware and couldn't get their postbit yet, but has every intention of continuing folding and slowly building up their gear to become a more fruitful member of the team. It seems to me that something that might help this newer guy along would be winning folding gear -- which would be easier if that person had the same access to the folding prizes that I do, but the idea being tossed around is that they shouldn't have equal access, only relatively limited access in what's probably a larger pool for less better prizes, which means that some other 1-2 post member that joined last week just won the one 460 that gets posted for the 'lower tier' pool, while I hypothetically turn around and win hardware in the higher tier that won't get folded with because, as I previously mentioned, I can't fold every day for a number of reasons...?



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So, how about this for next year. admin prizes (since admin is a nice guy) and games (since Folders don't need games) for all entrants, and then all other gifts for people who Fold a set amount of points during the CC (to be verified by HFM)?
If you do it that way, we'd likely recruit less active folders during the CC, but we lessen the risk of older folders stopping/changing teams/etc because they dont get access to better prizes. If we don't change it, our daily production could hurt slightly but we likely maintain (if not raise) our CC participation (something which seems ideal in the current competition format, since that's what we're discussing).
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So, how about this for next year. admin prizes (since admin is a nice guy) and games (since Folders don't need games) for all entrants, and then all other gifts for people who Fold a set amount of points during the CC (to be verified by HFM)?
Still not sure how I feel about the output part, but overall I agree with the proposed structure. It would at least make sure that for hardware prizes the person or persons involved weren't doing one and dones.
    
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You cannot hold up the exception as the rule... I would respond further but I don't feel it would get much of anywhere based on your response... especially since you JUST finished complaining about how it is too easy to get and maintain a postbit then turn around and argue the opposite in essence...

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So, effectively, because I used to fold but dont regularly anymore, I should get a chance at better loot during CCs because I have my postbit than someone who folds every day on older hardware and couldn't get their postbit yet, but has every intention of continuing folding and slowly building up their gear to become a more fruitful member of the team. It seems to me that something that might help this newer guy along would be winning folding gear -- which would be easier if that person had the same access to the folding prizes that I do, but the idea being tossed around is that they shouldn't have equal access, only relatively limited access in what's probably a larger pool for less better prizes, which means that some other 1-2 post member that joined last week just won the one 460 that gets posted for the 'lower tier' pool, while I hypothetically turn around and win hardware in the higher tier that won't get folded with because, as I previously mentioned, I can't fold every day for a number of reasons...?





If you do it that way, we'd likely recruit less active folders during the CC, but we lessen the risk of older folders stopping/changing teams/etc because they dont get access to better prizes. If we don't change it, our daily production could hurt slightly but we likely maintain (if not raise) our CC participation (something which seems ideal in the current competition format, since that's what we're discussing).
    
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why not do the tiering for the CC prizes based on length of time folding during the CC? If you fold for the full 10 days you get more chances to win than if you folded half a unit - that way you encourage people to join up and keep going afterwards. People would just need to submit their HFM logs to show folding during the competition. It would delay the prizegiving (all submissions would need to be checked after the competition ended), but would be a much fairer way of doing things even for those with minimal hardware.

Fold for 1 day = 1 chance to win
Fold for 10 days = 10 chances to win
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I'mma need to get in touch with harlam to see if we can get something added to the total credit in a period of time is shown in WU history... would make life quite abit easier for me if we do intend to do that next year...
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