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both the 590 and dual 460 can do surround on a single card
Does not compute.
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Seems like the consensus here is the 580 Lightning. I'll stick with that. Also, I'm not using 3 monitors, only 2. Thanks for the input everyone! I'll be giving +rep shortly!
I'd get the GTX 580. Wait, I had this choice and I did. It's playing the most intensive graphical games at maxed settings including AA turned up all the way. Metro 2033, Crysis, and Crysis 2. I've been playing the hell out of Crysis 2 lately and I'm over the 100-130FPS on that game. I have a 120hz monitor and that helps a bit. Regardless of which OC is run, maxed temp intensly gaming is 83C which is easily handled by this card.

A little bit about the GTX 580. It's all 512 cuda cores unlocked. It's FERMI matured. It's what the GTX 480 should have been with more performance, lower power consumption and in turn runs cooler than it's pervious series. Dosen't have any VRM issues, and over clocks very nicely. 3D gaming and 3D bu-ray movie support for this card is great.

Last 270.61 driver out boosted the 580 performance better than the original benches when intially reviewed by web sites, including the video below which was prior to the 270.62 release. The next driver version in beta is again improving the 580 even more so. Drivers for this card aren't mature and it's only going to be better.

Next game out I'll be getting is Battlefield 3 in the fall. Here is an example of Battlefield 3 being played on a GTX 580 below. Enjoy, you won't be sorry.

I have the SC version, here are some of my specs of overclocking.

The EVGA GTX 580 SC @ 797Mhz core is 3% over clock gain higher than a EVGA GTX 580 vanilla.

39-40C idle @ stock 797Mhz core on SC which is a 3% gain over vanilla stock.

40-42C idle @ 838Mhz core on SC which is 8% gain over vanilla stock.

42-43C idle @ 855Mhz core on SC which is 10% gain over vanilla stock.

43-44C idle @ 875Mhz core on SC which is 13% gain over vanilla stock.

44-45C idle @ 890Mhz core on SC which is 15% gain over vanilla stock.

To go higher stable I have to bump my GPU to 1.1000 voltage.

45-47C idle @912Mhz core on SC which is 17% gain over vanilla stock. All on stock air cooling.

I don't need to over clock this card but it was fun benching. I keep it @ 855Mhz core 24/7.

     
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Arizonian, that's the greatest post I've seen so far on any of my threads :O

Some questions:

Are the Alienware 120hz monitors not for sale anymore? I can't find them on the Egg or the Alienware site... how is the picture? If it isn't for sale anymore, would an Acer 120hz monitor suffice for 3D?

What ambient temps are recommended for heavy use, like Crysis or Metro 2033?

Off my head, the MSI Lightning edition comes factory overclocked to about 855 Mhz. Is that more than sufficient for now?

Thanks. +rep to you.
    
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For the price of 580 SLI, you can get 6990+6970, and the Tri-Fire set-up will totally rape the SLI set-up... for the same price.

3 GPUs against 2. 2 cards against 2 cards. For the same price.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/...ifire_review/9
    
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seems that the OP has made up his mind it's useless to keep on insisting other cards.. imo
    
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Arizonian, that's the greatest post I've seen so far on any of my threads :O

Some questions:

Are the Alienware 120hz monitors not for sale anymore? I can't find them on the Egg or the Alienware site... how is the picture? If it isn't for sale anymore, would an Acer 120hz monitor suffice for 3D?

What ambient temps are recommended for heavy use, like Crysis or Metro 2033?

Off my head, the MSI Lightning edition comes factory overclocked to about 855 Mhz. Is that more than sufficient for now?

Thanks. +rep to you.
Get if from DELL directly. I bought mine from Fry's Electronics near my house in store. I will say I did some homework on 120hz monitors before jumping into it. Here is a thread I started sort of compiling my info as I learned about them. In the end I went with the Alienware AW2310 model. I was going to get the ASUS but the monitor had a glass screen and I don't like glass screens only because in a lighted room you can see the reflection of the room behind you in the glass. I did check other monitors but ran out of time posting about them in that thread.

As for the Alienware monitor performance I have to say I'm quite impressed. It's truly better than a 60hz and I'd never go back. It really helps in FPS not to be limited and does much better. It's awesome 2D. Blu-ray movies pops out at me without any discoloring as my older model I saw. 2D gaming also stands out. Make sure you hook up the DVI cord it comes with and not the HDMI when you 3D. The latest driver 270.61 users are no longer required to install a separate 3D Vision Controller driver or CD driver. It was the second set of drivers that came out that improved the GTX 580 performance twice so far from when it first came out. In fact it's getting another bump in performance from the beta 275.27 version. Just read what's being improved to the card.

In Crysis 2 I'm over the 100 FPS area constantly. I've got that cranked up to full AA and highest details I can push. The card gets as hot as 83C, and in Crysis 84C. As for ambient temps I'm not too sure I've never got a temp. I can tell you though I've monitored my CPU and with my OC it idles at 37C all four cores approximately. After a long session of gaming it raises about 3-4C, but I've got some hard core air cooling on it with a CoolerMaster V6 GT on that baby. Plus a Gskill [ Turbulence II ] FTB-3500C5-D dual ram fan. Nice blue led btw. It also is pushing air down on the mobo which helps keep things cooler.

I haven't tried 3D yet as I've broken the bank since December building this rig from ground up. Speakers, monitor, keyboard, mouse, entire tower n' guts. Fathers Day (can't wait) I'm getting Nvidia 3D glasses and will be able to tell you exactly how it does. From my homework on that thread I posted on 3D monitors you will see a bunch of reviews for each and it will give you an idea.

Lastly, on the monitor - Alienware (now purchased by DELL) offers a warranty of monitor replacement should you find one bad pixel.

As for the MSI GTX 580 Lightning, it's a great card. Very over clockable. At that cards stock you won't have any issues throwing any games at it for the next two years with a single card.

Good luck with your upgrading. It truly makes it fun to come home from work to my new system awaiting. I'm gaming as soon as the kids and wife are asleep, my only problem with my card and monitor is trying to get off and go to sleep.
     
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1) You did not state your budget. But if your budget is over $500, then GTX 580 provides the best performance. If it is about $350, you cannot beat the 6970. With that said, I want to point a few things out.

2) All these drivers issues are so medieval, it is not funny anymore. Folks need to come out from under the stone. So do not fall for the cavemen comment of 'bad drivers'. Most competent folks will say that there are equal driver issues on both sides.

3) Power draw will be much better with 6970. I cannot comment on temps, but I would say 6970 will have better temps. For GTX 580, I think you will need at least a 850 watt PSU.

4) If your resolution is 1920 X 1200 or lower, a GTX 580 will perform better. At higher resolution, 6970 will be on par (considering it costs so much less) with GTX 580 due to extra VRAM. Unless of course you get the 3 GB variant of the GTX 580.

5) You can have extended desktop on a GTX 580, but not an 'eyeinfinity' setup. On full screen though, you cannot access the other screen.

But as someone above said, you seemed to have made up your mind regarding the GTX 580. It is one hell of a card if you got the budget - good luck and enjoy !!
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The EVGA GTX 580 is selling for $489.99 now and offering $30 rebate for $459.99. Prices dropped. It's about a difference of $100 avg over the AMD 6970 for better performance, depending on which is purchased. The AMD 6990 is $700 which is $240 more than the GTX 580. Yes the AMD 6990 is a higher performer.

MSI AMD 6970 Lightning = $395.49 w/shipping.
MSI GTX 580 Lightning = $534.49 w/shipping.

A $139.00 difference and worth it in my opinion to have a better single card solution.

The OP has a 750 watt PSU and the AMD 6990 playing Metro 2033 as an example can use up as much as 613 watts usage peak on the one card alone without adding the AMD 6970.

The OP is only looking for one card without having to switch out his PSU right now, so SLI or Crossfire solution is not an option.

Nvidia does 3D gaming and 3D movies in my opinion better than AMD.

There is barely any gain from VRM on a 1920x1200 resolution, actually marginally fractional. Here is a video of older benchmarks that shows higher resolution comparison as well, still gives an example you can get a basis from. BTW the last results on this video, things like of power consumption etc are barley visible. Sorry for that.

     
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