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Im using the QCK Heavy pad currently.

I got the G9x on the way and I think I may order the G500 also just to try out. This Mionix HAS to go back despite me getting the DotD price on it. Its just way to damn wide and my fingers still overshoot the rests on the right sides. I have small hands also...

I really would like to try out the Kinzu but I sort of grew accustomed to the 2 side buttons and amazon has a 1-2 week waiting period on the mouse. It seems built for the exact style of play I use. I just wish it had the side buttons of its bigger brother.

As far as the Rat 7, despite all that customization, it still never conformed properly. That precision button was WAYYYY out of the way for me, the pinky rest felt extremely awkward, and the palm pieces didn't feel comfortable to use in either claw or palm. Altogether wasn't impressed.

Im trying to gather as much info on

Steelseries Kinzu
Steelseries Xai
Puretrak Valor
Roccat Kone+

What exactly makes the IME3.0 and WMO so preferred over all current gaming mice? How do they truthfully outperform?
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g9x here, works perfectlly for me with claw grip.
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post #13 of 44
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Originally Posted by Cpt.Jeff;13602233 
If you don't use the Intellimouse 3.0 or Wheelmouse optical, your not doing it right?

I been having a hard time figuring out just what to use and am already going through mice right now.

I have a G9x on the way which I have used before but not on a pc (PS3 setup deal for about a week). I just returned a Deathadder 3.5g and a RAT 7. The Mionix 5000 I am using is about to go back to amazon.... I just played some Crysis 1 with an MX518 I bought years ago and it felt pretty nice.

I like having a smaller mouse. The 518 fits VERY nicely in my hands and I can't complain at all about it. The Mionix doesn't feel right, is too wide, and is difficult to pick up due to having a slippery feel.

Other mice I have been watching are; CM Storm Inferno, Roccat Kone+, SS Kinzu, SS Xai, G500, Razer Abyssus and thats about it. I prefer a smaller fitting mouse as the deathadder just felt ok to me. I move the mouse around with palm into palm/claw into fingertip.

The problem is that I hear bad things about every single mouse I look into. Im not a CS pro. I don't swipe the mouse across my mat furiously. I don't understand how the accelaration and deceleration actually work. Do they only occur @ certain speeds of mouse movement?

The reason people mention the IME3.0 and WMO/IMO is because they work at reasonable tracking speeds after you overclock them to 500hz. On top of that they're pretty damn cheap.

At the end of the day you're looking for a mouse that fits your grip, and performs the BEST out of the choices you have. Don't ever buy a mouse just because there's a "5600 DPI" sticker slapped on it.

In a very basic explanation, when someone mentions "positive acceleration" on a mouse it basically means that when you move your mouse a certain speed (dependent on the sensor) the mouse will add unwanted amounts of extra movement to your initial movement (if that makes sense).

Anyways, I would look into:

- Razer Abyssus. Shares the same great sensor the DA does, just be aware some of the older Abyssus' on store shelves have jitter problems. From my understanding you can't update the firmware on the Abyssus, so if you get one with the jitter problem, you're stuck with it unless you return it.

- A new... MX518. Other than the prediction and 125hz the mouse is one of the best on the market. If it fits your hand (as you mentioned before), and it feels nice, you may just want to pick up a new 518 if you have an "old" one. However if your old one works just fine then I guess there's really no reason to pick up a new one.

- Xai/G500. If you must go laser I would go with one of these two. They share the same sensor and have similar performance, but obviously the Xai and G500 are in different shapes. The G500 has a similar shape to the MX518 but be aware that the G500 is a bit larger than the MX518 is. The Xai is in a smaller shape, but it's roughly medium sized. It's not tiny by any means but it's definitely not a large mouse.

Lastly, STAY AWAY FROM THE KINZU. The Kinzu's sensor is awful, even if you don't "swipe your mouse fast". Also, be aware that the mouse feet on the Kinzu are made out of some kind of plastic... meaning it feels absolutely awful on most pads. If you must buy a Kinzu, make sure you pick up a pair of hyperglides or something.
Edited by sixxxxxx - 5/22/11 at 9:30pm
post #14 of 44
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I was reading up on the EC2. How much smaller is it than the DA and IME?

I felt the DA was a fairly comfortable design but it was too long front to back. It did feel quite right moving around though.

Which brings me to the Abyssus. How small is that compared to the G9x.

They should have stores with these mice on display to get a feel for. I can't imagine all the returns that have been made.

I don't think I will be using the MX518 I have. And if I get another, I feel I might as well pay the $10-$12 for the G500 instead. How much bigger? It shouldn't be too noticeable right?

Thanks for all the help everyone.

***I understand what you are talking about with positive acceleration. I just wonder how fast I really need to move in order for it to 'activate'. As I don't play FPS too competitively anymore, Im not a speed demon like before.

As far as DPI is concerned, I never felt the need to go above 1600-2000. Plenty fast enough.

What about this CM Spawn? I saw it before and didn't give it any mind with the colors but....hmm
Edited by Cpt.Jeff - 5/22/11 at 9:44pm
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lol, the G500 is in no way shape or form an upgrade over an MX518.

The WMO is cool because it has a) no accel, b) no prediction c) a low lift distance, d) low weight e) low price and f) an excellent claw gripping shape. Lots of mouses have some of these characteristics, but almost none give you all of them like the WMO.

That's not to say that the WMO is without its flaws. the WMO gives you only 400cpi, which means you give up "perfect pixel accuracy" if you use certain settings that are best described by this formula.

minimum mouse cpi required = (in-game resolution width in pixels * pi) / ( number of inches it takes you to turn 360 degrees in-game * tan(in-game field of view / 2))

The WMO's control speed is also on the low side at only 1.55m/s. If you move your mouse faster than that you end up with negative accel.

And of course, the WMO doesn't have any side buttons.

All the info you could ever want about a mouse, unless your a loser like skylit, can be found here: http://www.overclock.net/11138676-post1.html. That includes the stuff I just told you about the WMO.
Edited by cuad - 5/22/11 at 10:02pm
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post #16 of 44
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Originally Posted by cuad;13603428 
lol, the G500 is in no way shape or form an upgrade over an MX518.

The WMO is cool because it has a) no accel, b) no prediction c) a low lift distance, d) low weight e) low price and f) an excellent claw gripping shape. Lots of mouses have some of these characteristics, but almost none give you all of them like the WMO.

That's not to say that the WMO is without its flaws. the WMO gives you only 400cpi, which means you give up "perfect pixel accuracy" if you use certain settings that are best described by this formula.

minimum mouse cpi required = (in-game resolution width in pixels * pi) / ( number of inches it takes you to turn 360 degrees in-game * tan(in-game field of view / 2))

The WMO's control speed is also on the low side at only 1.55m/s. If you move your mouse faster than that you end up with negative accel.

And of course, the WMO doesn't have any side buttons.

Weight and grip are subjective.
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post #17 of 44
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Originally Posted by Cpt.Jeff;13603280 
I was reading up on the EC2. How much smaller is it than the DA and IME?

The EC2 felt quite a bit smaller in my hand compared to my DA.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Jeff;13603280 
Which brings me to the Abyssus. How small is that compared to the G9x.

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Xai -> G9x -> Abyssus -> Sidewinder X8
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpt.Jeff;13603280 
I don't think I will be using the MX518 I have. And if I get another, I feel I might as well pay the $10-$12 for the G500 instead. How much bigger? It shouldn't be too noticeable right?

Slightly different shape near the thumb area, the G500 will feel noticeable heavier even without any weights installed.
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Originally Posted by Cpt.Jeff;13603280 

***I understand what you are talking about with positive acceleration. I just wonder how fast I really need to move in order for it to 'activate'. As I don't play FPS too competitively anymore, Im not a speed demon like before.

The positive acceleration associated with the avago 9500 laser sensor (G500/G9x/Xai/Naos 5000 and a crapton more mice) kicks in even at low speeds, anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
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Originally Posted by Cpt.Jeff;13603280 
What about this CM Spawn? I saw it before and didn't give it any mind with the colors but....hmm

Looks to be a great mouse but CM is currently working to fix a tracking bug that exists at the 800DPI step. For size comparisons with other mice - http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/cm_storm_spawn_review,4.html
Edited by Derp - 5/22/11 at 10:03pm
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Originally Posted by cuad;13603428 
lol, the G500 is in no way shape or form an upgrade over an MX518.

The WMO is cool because it has a) no accel, b) no prediction c) a low lift distance, d) low weight e) low price and f) an excellent claw gripping shape. Lots of mouses have some of these characteristics, but almost none give you all of them like the WMO.

That's not to say that the WMO is without its flaws. the WMO gives you only 400cpi, which means you give up "perfect pixel accuracy" if you use certain settings that are best described by this formula.

minimum mouse cpi required = (in-game resolution width in pixels * pi) / ( number of inches it takes you to turn 360 degrees in-game * tan(in-game field of view / 2))

The WMO's control speed is also on the low side at only 1.55m/s. If you move your mouse faster than that you end up with negative accel.

And of course, the WMO doesn't have any side buttons.

All the info you could ever want about a mouse, unless your a loser like skylit, can be found here: http://www.overclock.net/11138676-post1.html. That includes the stuff I just told you about the WMO.

If I am looking at the correct mouse on amazon, its dirt cheap. Now 400 DPI on my 40" 1080p TV would not be ideal would it?
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I know most guys here are Avago 3888 nut huggers but suggesting the Abyssus to someone is rediculous. The mouse feels awful, its like swiping around a block of cheese.

Also the acceleration of the avago 9500 is heavily exaggerated on this forums. Just sayin.

I can vouch for the CM spawn being awesome.
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Originally Posted by Cpt.Jeff;13603594 
If I am looking at the correct mouse on amazon, its dirt cheap. Now 400 DPI on my 40" 1080p TV would not be ideal would it?
Here's the mouse: [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-D66-00069-Wheel-Optical-Mouse/dp/B00025O7FC/"]Amazon.com: Microsoft Wheel Optical Mouse: Electronics[/ame]


Use the formula to find out.

minimum mouse cpi required = (in-game resolution width in pixels * pi) / ( number of inches it takes you to turn 360 degrees in-game * tan(in-game field of view / 2))

I'll give an example with my Quake settings.

In-game resolution width in pixels = 800
number if inches per 360 = 10
in-game field of view = 120

so,

800*pi / (10*tan(120/2)) = 146 cpi required. The wmo has 400, so I'm ok.

Another example with 1080p and my old Crysis Wars settings.

In-game resolution width in pixels = 1920
number if inches per 360 = 20
in-game field of view = 60

(1920*pi) / (20*tan(30)) = 523 cpi required, so 400 is not enough for perfect pixel accuracy. My options are to increase cpi, lower resolution, increase field of view or lower in-game sensitivity.
Edited by cuad - 5/22/11 at 10:27pm
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