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Feels like flame bait.
he actually stirred the pot..
    
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like really guys, everybody go to your room. no fanboyisms in your gysms anymore.

its chilish how you all argue over something so stupid, let everyone buy what they want, and you buy what you want, and stop having useless debates.
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post #83 of 162
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None of my facts are made up, they come directly from the horses mouth.

I will admit I'm playing connect the dots, since they haven't given out a lot of information. However with the information made available, how CMT works, the loss of performance that comes with it, the current pricing graph we have, AMDs current position as far as performance per core goes and JFs general demeanor when it comes to "per core" performance tells me I'm probably not too far off with my assumptions.


What else are we going to do? Its a forum for computer parts, just don't take anything personally and nobody will get affected over another's opinion.
Have no problem with joining the dots just make it clear that is what you are doing rather than Stating categorically that it will be so. no one can fault you for thoeries if you make it clear they are theories rather than saying Bam this will mean that when both cores are running there will be a 20% drop on both cores. with out any qualifying statement.
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JF made the 80% comment, I just used it.
    
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JF made the 80% comment, I just used it.
What 80% comment?
    
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I like AMD going to Price/Performance stand points. Because is where the business is at, no Business (in business point of view) want to spend an expenive CPU just to be use as a workstation for small/big business that does not do rendering or video editing stuff

Such as UPS, is a fortune 500 company, and i work in UPS, all the PC they're using are AMD cpu, because it does the job well without spending a fortune on it.
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post #87 of 162
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I don't think it's a huge accomplishment to best the current, extremely outdated architecture. If BD only bests the current Thubans by 10% in per core performance, I really doubt the community will be satisfied. Especially for gamers like many of us on OCN, that is simply not enough.
I want nahalem-level per-core performance or above myself. I was somewhat soured on AMD because of this C2 955. At the time I wanted something that was at least in the ballpark of a stock i7 920 - and would have gone that route if money had allowed - but alas, in went the 955. Unstable for months until I finally hit the cpu-nb with enough volts, took so much power when overclocked it blew my old 550w power supply, won't accept a multiplier other than the default despite being a black edition, etc.

I really wish the best for AMD with this bulldozer project. Honestly, it's been in the works long enough (bulldozer was originally supposed to replace Clawhammer!) and intel could really use some competition, although I am awfully surprised they offered sandy at SUCH a low price compared to their hot stuff in the past.

My line of thought is gonna follow the OP's. I want more than one CPU next time.
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It seems to me that the whole idea behind Bulldozer was to make a CPU that would run multiple threads more efficiently. The single threaded performance will unlikely beat Intel's. AMD's eight thread processors should beat Intel's eight threads (core i7 2600) when using multiple threads just because of how the CPU was designed to take advantage of resources. Four Intel cores might still beat four AMD cores, but the eight threads should be on AMD's side.

For the record, even if a single program can't take advantage of eight threads (although many can), you can still run multiple programs at the same time without performance loss. When the Athlon X2 was first released in 2005, there was a review in which someone was encoding video and playing Counter Strike Source at the same without any loss in FPS. There are many ways to take advantage of multiple cores. This was the advantage of the Phenom II X6, while it may not run a single program better than Intel's four cored brethren, it could still run more programs at the same time, which is an advantage to some people, but useless to others. It's all about what you intend to use your PC for.

EDIT: The initial rumors indicated that Bulldozer should be 50% faster than Phenom II, which would make me ecstatic. Whether this is in a multi-threaded environment or single-threaded performance is a different story. My fingers are crossed that they were referring to single-threaded.
Edited by dodger.blue - 5/25/11 at 2:10pm
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You know there's no gameplay difference between gaming at 95 FPS and 100 FPS, right?
hahaha you can't be serious. In starcraft 2, I went from 30fps to 60fps just by switching to this 2500k from an unlocked x4 phenom II. Yes, the 2500k was clocked quite a bit higher, but that doesn't mean that your supposed to rule it out just because my phenom II couldn't clock as high. A performance increase is a performance increase.

Also having a higher average framerate, even when you are over 60fps, will still prevent you from going further into dip when a big explosion happens or there are tons of things flying around on your screen. So you get a higher constant fps rate than with a lesser processor like any phenom II.

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AFAIk games code are branchy,
BD has big improvement in branch prediction and prefetchers
Hopefully this "big improvement" actually translates into more fps.
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hahaha you can't be serious. In starcraft 2, I went from 30fps to 60fps just by switching to this 2500k from an unlocked x4 phenom II. Yes, the 2500k was clocked quite a bit higher, but that doesn't mean that your supposed to rule it out just because my phenom II couldn't clock as high. A performance increase is a performance increase.

Also having a higher average framerate, even when you are over 60fps, will still prevent you from going further into dip when a big explosion happens or there are tons of things flying around on your screen. So you get a higher constant fps rate than with a lesser processor like any phenom II.
I'm saying Bulldozer, since it'll obviously have higher IPC than Phenom II and since you said it won't match Sandy Bridge in gaming.

To quote you:

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As bulldozer gets closer and closer now, i'm getting less and less excited for it. I definitely think i'll be sticking with my sandy bridge setup because I game. I don't think bulldozer will stand a chance in gaming.
Even if Bulldozer matches Nehalem in IPC, we're looking at a difference of 5 FPS or so in games. Hardly what you'd call "world-changing".

EDIT: do you know when this problem with New Posts will be fixed?
    
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