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How does Pricing typically work on older sockets like 1366 ? I'm talking about 1 to 2 years down the road will there still be 990X for sell for Retail and how much would they cost. I'm looking back at old quad-cores on 775 socket still in retail sometimes under $100. Would we see any of the 32nm chips for 1366 socket under $150 in 3 years time or would it be out of retail shortly ? Any light on the subject would help.
 
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Probably the lower end chips can get as low as 150. The 990x probably wouldn't go as low as that. A simple look at ebay shows QX6700 over 100$, QX9550 over 200$ and these are CPUs that are slower than a SB Core i3, so relative performance isn't the only factor.
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okay so don't think it will go that low ever ?
 
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okay so don't think it will go that low ever ?
This is Intel we're talking about. You can pretty much expect their chips to be phased out at around the same price as release or the lowest CPU in that tier. At best, you might see Gulftown for around $250~300 1Ku. I think that was the lowest the Q6600 dipped down to before it was phased out.

Here's an earlier post of mine containing Gulftown pricing speculation:
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What's interesting are the similarities between Kentsfield and Gulftown.

The QX6700 is Intel's first quad-core CPU.
The i7-980X is Intel's first hexa-core CPU.

The Q6600 is Intel's first mainstream quad-core CPU.
The i7-970 is Intel's first mainstream hexa-core CPU.

The Q6600's release price was $851.
The i7-970's release price was $885.

The introduction of the QX6800 and subsequent release of the Q6700 bumped the price of the Q6600 down to ~$500 and eventually to ~$300. Hopefully, the release of the i7-990X would mean the same thing for the i7-970. If Gulftown follows Kentsfield, we'll eventually get:

i7-990X (or maybe i7-995X?) ~$1000
i7-980 ~$500
i7-970 ~$300
Pricing on the i7-970 is now down to $500+. Only time will tell if it will get phased out at that price or if Intel will drop it down to $300-ish like they did with Kentsfield.
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This is Intel we're talking about. You can pretty much expect their chips to be phased out at around the same price as release or the lowest CPU in that tier. At best, you might see Gulftown for around $250~300 1Ku. I think that was the lowest the Q6600 dipped down to before it was phased out.

Here's an earlier post of mine containing Gulftown pricing speculation:


Pricing on the i7-970 is now down to $500+. Only time will tell if it will get phased out at that price or if Intel will drop it down to $300-ish like they did with Kentsfield.
Okay I'm confused because isn't the Q8200 45nm and the QX6700 65nm, The Q8200 is very cheap chip. No one thinks they will keep around 32nm chip in retail for 1366 socket for years to come ? BTW not disagreeing with you I just don't understand why the 45nm Q8200 is still around.
 
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Okay I'm confused because isn't the Q8200 45nm and the QX6700 65nm, The Q8200 is very cheap chip. No one thinks they will keep around 32nm chip in retail for 1366 socket for years to come ? BTW not disagreeing with you I just don't understand why the 45nm Q8200 is still around.
The Q8200 is a cut down version of Yorkfield with only 4MB L2 cache. The QX6700's replacement is the QX9650 w/12MB L2 cache. Basically, think of Core 2 Quad Q6x00's successor as the Core 2 Quad Q9xx0 Yorkfields (w/6MB or 12MB L2) and the Core 2 Quad Q8x00 as the Core 2 Duo E7x00 counterpart to the Core 2 Duo E8x00 (something the Q6x00 didn't have).

This is where market segmentation is a drag. Even if the LGA-1366 processors are getting beaten left and right by the newer LGA-1155 mainstream processors, Intel still won't lower prices because LGA-1366 is their "premium" line. Just look at older "premium" LGA-775 processors. The Core 2 Duo E8600 still costs $266 1Ku and the Q9650 $316 1Ku, and both are severely outclassed by the i5-2500K $216 1Ku. Heck, even the i3-2100 $117 1Ku beats the E8600 quite soundly (albeit not so much in gaming).

Sure you can get Core 2-based processors for less than $100 but this comes at the expense of cut features:
Celeron E3x00: 1MB L2, 800MHz FSB, no SSE4
Pentium E5x00: 2MB L2, 800MHz FSB, no SSE4
Pentium E6x00: 2MB L2, 1066MHz FSB, no SSE4
Even if you overclock these to the same clocks as higher-end chips, you still don't get quite the same level of performance.

The only difference is whereas before, low-end, mid-range and high-end are available for the same socket, now, Intel has clearly drawn the line between low-end/mid-range (LGA-1156/1155) and high-end (LGA-1366/2011).
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The extreme edition cpus like the 980x & 990x won't drop in price very much, I'd be kinda surprised to see them drop below $900. Those rarely seem to go down, it's gone from ncix now but the i7 975 was still the same price as when it was released before it disappeared, while the 980x (superior cpu) was cheaper.
    
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so I have no hopes to upgrade in two years to 990x, I would be cheaper to change the board and cpu and ram ?
 
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so I have no hopes to upgrade in two years to 990x, I would be cheaper to change the board and cpu and ram ?
It would be cheaper just to get an i5 2500k/2600k. In two years there will be much better CPU's for only a few hundred.
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The way it works is that the midrange chips that were high production get really cheap.

The top-end chips for the socket drop a bit, but keep value since when you're stuck with a dead socket, everyone with that socket wants the last great chip made for it.

Top-end chips have lower production, so they don't sell often and they keep their value and sell for higher than newer socket chips that are faster, but we're talking top-2 CPUs for the socket.
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G-Skill 4x4GB DDR3 1866 8-9-9-24@1.5V Samsung 840 Pro 128GB Agility 3 240GB x2 RAID 0 WD 500GB X2 RAID 0 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XSPC Raystorm XSPC Dual Bay reservoir with Alphacool variable... Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 Full Copper Triple 120mm... EK GTX680 FTW waterblock 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate HP tSS-25X11LED 25" 1080p PC Power&Cooling Silentpower 910W Xigmatek Elysium 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Razer Deathadder 3500 Rocketfish Creative Sound Core3D Logitech Z5300 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
960T unlocked to X6 ASUS M4A79XTD Evo Sapphire HD6870 1GB 2x2GB Ripjaws 7-8-7-24 F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM  
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial M4 128GB WD 320GB HDD Lite-On DVD-RW Corsair H100 
OSPowerCase
Win 7 x64 Ultimate OCZ Stealthstream 600W HAF XB 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3570K P8Z77-I MSI 560 Ti TF2 Samsung 20nm 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial M500 Kuhler 620 Windows 7 x64 52" Samsung LED TV 
CaseAudio
EVGA Hadron Air Denon receiver/ Polk audio 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7 3930K @ 4.8Ghz offset ASrock X79 Extreme6/GB EVGA GTX680 FTW with EK waterblock EVGA GTX650 for PhysX 
RAMHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
G-Skill 4x4GB DDR3 1866 8-9-9-24@1.5V Samsung 840 Pro 128GB Agility 3 240GB x2 RAID 0 WD 500GB X2 RAID 0 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
XSPC Raystorm XSPC Dual Bay reservoir with Alphacool variable... Alphacool NexXxoS UT60 Full Copper Triple 120mm... EK GTX680 FTW waterblock 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate HP tSS-25X11LED 25" 1080p PC Power&Cooling Silentpower 910W Xigmatek Elysium 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Razer Deathadder 3500 Rocketfish Creative Sound Core3D Logitech Z5300 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
960T unlocked to X6 ASUS M4A79XTD Evo Sapphire HD6870 1GB 2x2GB Ripjaws 7-8-7-24 F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM  
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Crucial M4 128GB WD 320GB HDD Lite-On DVD-RW Corsair H100 
OSPowerCase
Win 7 x64 Ultimate OCZ Stealthstream 600W HAF XB 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
3570K P8Z77-I MSI 560 Ti TF2 Samsung 20nm 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Crucial M500 Kuhler 620 Windows 7 x64 52" Samsung LED TV 
CaseAudio
EVGA Hadron Air Denon receiver/ Polk audio 
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