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/snipPictureOfGunkedBlock
Most of that looks like gunk from an un-cleaned radiator (flux, solder and such). On the right half does appear to be a mostly colorless substance, probably from the tubing itself as you've described. Had there been a colored liquid in the loop, that section would most likely be stained that color.
 
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post #42 of 65
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I speak 4 languages, 3 fluently, and I have good grammar? Good grammar should be a part of knowing the language.
Depends. If the 4 languages are all Romance languages like English, French, Spanish, German then it's going to be much easier to learn and acquire good grammar. Russian is in a different linguistic group and thus has a drastically different grammatical structure.
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post #43 of 65
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I never said they were my blocks. Look at my sig rig, I don't water cool. I'm an avid air cooling fan (pun intended). Personally I think watercooling is overkill and unnecessary. I just enjoy reading about it because I'm always toying with the idea of trying it out but probably never will.
Fair enough, although I am guessing you're gonna get a bit chastised for commenting and posting pics relating to a liquid cooling discussion when you dont actually liquid cool!

Mayhem - your explanation makes sense to me. I used dyes many many years go with an early Koolance setup. I never had issues, but based on my non-expert research I would rather use as a pure a coolant as possible.

Personally, I dont have an issue with your grammatical skills and dont feel they should have a significant bearing on your credibility, however (and please dont take this wrong) the attitude you seem to convey is a bit negative, condescending and "matter of fact". I know you likely are exasperated with what you feel is mis-information, but using some of the language/terms you do ("talking out their ass". "not my problem if you dont know what you talking about", etc...) is not helping you come across in a very professional manner expected of the owner of a company. Just my humble opinion.
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They're just messy. Gunking up blocks and staining tubing.
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Fair enough, although I am guessing you're gonna get a bit chastised for commenting and posting pics relating to a liquid cooling discussion when you dont actually liquid cool!
I'm fine with him commenting on liquid topics. Asking Mayhem to identify what is on those blocks, when he has no proof what was in the system, doesn't provide anything to this conversation.
 
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I have never had problms with Feser One blue and green... but thats just me
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Fair enough, although I am guessing you're gonna get a bit chastised for commenting and posting pics relating to a liquid cooling discussion when you dont actually liquid cool!
I may not liquid cool but I am probably more educated about liquid cooling than half of the liquid coolers here. I have literally read up on just about every radiator/block/pump etc. I've been toying with the idea of doing it for a couple years now.

I also built dozens of museum exhibits that all use water in some form or another with my father for about 5 years (worked for him in high school and every summer while I was in college). I have hundreds of hours under my belt when it comes to installing tubing, pumps, reservoirs etc and have built numerous custom reservoirs and tubing systems out of acrylic/pvc/stainless steel. Everything from small pumps much like a PC water cooling pump to monster pumps that weigh 100 lbs and can run a large fountain. I think that's why I always toy with the idea of water cooling. I figure I'd be pretty comfortable making a killer custom loop because I've essentially done it 100 times before.

I also have a degree in microbiology so I have a pretty good handle on what microbes grow in a loop and how to keep them from growing.

I am not a water cooler. But I am very experienced in things directly related to what goes into water cooling But you are correct I have zero hands on experience with an actual PC water cooling system...
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yes i know a hell of a lot about dyes . i dam well hope so any way. I think your missing the point though. the point being is that the dyes don't gunk up and if there ever was a faint chance that it did then they would never be used in the medical industry. The people who say it does are talking out there ass simple as. There are many different Type of dyes and Acid Dyes (UV) ones don't brake down. Next you'll say the UV clear Blue cases blockages and its a dye ect ect. Well once again since UV clear Blue isn't even a dye it a optical brighter. How ever dyes such as UV orange which base chemical is Eosine cannot be mixed with other dyes as it will separate after a very short period of time...
Most dyes used in the medical industry are made with the basic knowledge and understanding that the body will consume, break down, and remove any parts of the dye in the system within a limited time period. Also alot of dyes used in the medical industry, along with being short duration dyes are not color dyes but radioactive or other forms of dyes that are actively seen through means completely different than dyes used in a watercooling loop. And the kind that are used in similar fashion are usually used on cadavers or other body parts that are no longer living.

Now are there dyes that are used on living patients? Yes. But to equate the use and apparent lifespan as well as interaction with two completely disparate systems as being remotely similar is disingenuous.

*Edit* BTW I believe that whatever side of the argument you are pushing forward, just present proof. Currently you are not presenting an argument that is easily accepted due to your particular stake in the discussion and your choice of language that is more attacking and condescending than it is educational on the subject.
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BTW I believe that whatever side of the argument you are pushing forward, just present proof. Currently you are not presenting an argument that is easily accepted due to your particular stake in the discussion and your choice of language that is more attacking and condescending than it is educational on the subject.
Now, I know absolutely nothing about water cooling, but I can see that you´re asking him to present proof for his side of the argument. So, where's the proof that said dyes actually do cause gunk or whatever the hell you guys are talking about?
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Now, I know absolutely nothing about water cooling, but I can see that you´re asking him to present proof for his side of the argument. So, where's the proof that said dyes actually do cause gunk or whatever the hell you guys are talking about?
I'm not on either side of the argument other than pointing out that his medical use dyes argument really holds little bearing to the current discussion

For me I am more of an interested observer at current point in time! (hopefully it is easily noted how at no time I advocated either side as being correct, just took issue with the comparison thrown out there)

I will point out that he has already claimed to have knowledge, understanding and proof of his claims. I am just interested to see this proof he claims broken down with an explanation using his knowledge and understanding
    
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