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Oh, and here is a thread on XS where at some point (If I recall correctly) someone with access to a chemical testing laboratory proves that the gunk (which tends to be the exactly color of the dye in the liquid used) is in fact primarily the dye.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...hlight=warning


This post has a lot of information in that thread.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=323

Also, it seems to happen primarily with copper blocks.
Edited by Xaero252 - 6/3/11 at 4:22pm
    
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Dyes do not Gunk,
Dye do not Block system

and ill give £50 to any one who can prove that dyes Gunk , block or brake down if they use the correct dye. This is myth and i've proven it wrong many times now. Dyes how ever do stain that's what dyes do they dye thing's doh ....

What brakes down is inhibitor and plastic in the tubing. All so the gunking happens when a "USER" does not clean there system properly and the PH of the liquid change so much it causes major problems.

people like to claim they have seen it happen or a friend of a friend of a friend who hasn't got a clue what they are talking about. They blame the dyes because the dye has coloured the sticky residue when it passes over it ... How ever common sense is not some thing people use and they just jump to a conclusion.

Some of the older type of Glycol fluids brake down because as they are forced though the injector blocks they brake down the chemicals in the liquids at a practical level over a period of time. This then in tun stick to ever thing and then along comes the dye in the liquids to dye it.

Simples .............

P.s Id love to stick a PH meter in all this gunked system and show you who is really to blame .... How ever you try getting one of these people with a gunked system to send you a sample hahaha they run and never do. I have managed to see gunking happing at a microscopic level and had it analysed by people who know more about this than me and then explain to me what is causing it.

Got to add do you think that dyes would be introduced into the human body if it gunked .. imagine how many hart failures people would have if it did when they went in for a scan of there brain. pmsl
Its been proved many times they do by first hand people taking the rigs apart and finding the cpu and gpu blocks stained and gunked up. The pumps impeller is what causes it to break down it seperates it a little and eventualy that little becomes alot.
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Mayhem, thank you for a more complete response. I am definitely interested in the information and whatever testing you could bring to light as it might even provide a methodology for some other intrepid souls here to carry forth with it and help to clarify even further what the best answer to this age old watercooling question may be!
I don't think it will answer all the questions. It only answered the question I asked at the time. That was 2 years ago. Things change and i suspect as water cooling blocks get better and the jets become smaller this problem will only get worse. You all so need to remember the amount of people that this does happen to is very small in comparison to the amount of people that do colour there liquids. I personally use dyes in all our systems for testing here and they have never gunked. Mind you i all so keep an eye on there PH balance levels and every now and then have to adjust the PH balance so that it stays around the 7 mark.

On XS in my main tread you can all so see some stain testing with dyes and the effects on tubing.
Edited by Mayhem - 6/3/11 at 4:25pm
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Mayhem, I know that you provide some premium dyes that have an extremely low quantity mix ratio for color saturation. What chemical properties do your dyes possess that allow them to stay mixed so well with water? Are they similar in viscosity? or would you imagine it has to do with the low quantity of dye that prevents the coagulation? I've heard of most commercially available pre-mix and dye solutions coagulating at least once, but not yours.
    
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Mayhem, one of my buddies tested that theory and he used copper tubing and
3 different brands of dyes and coolant and they all gunked up. dyes dont dissolve metal lol
This still doesn't "prove" anything...
 
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