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The Thunderbolt is locked down and we've been able to work around that, I've got mine rooted, wireless tether etc, so I'm sure they'll be able to do it on the Evo 3D as well.
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Okay, fair enough.

Do you have WiFi in your house? Anybody else have WiFi at home?

Let's all call our cable provider and suggest they charge a fee for wifi devices connected to our paid internet. This is your logic of thinking after all.

If I pay for unlimited data*, it makes no sense on which device is using that data.
I like free wireless tether as much as the next guy, but in reality its stealing. We are at the mercy of a billion dollar company. Unfortunately people have abused the unlimited* data plan and consume 10-50gb of data. In reality we all suffer with slow downs in 3G.
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No they do not. All the Droid X/2 Devs DO NOT support tethering. I'm sure their are plenty of others. If you bring up the subject in XDA it won't be pretty. Verizon and AT&T are VERY pissed off with tethering recently.
yeah, love how companies can play with their customers.

some of us are pissed off with AT&T for the data caps but because we're the consumers and can't pay for class action suits etc, it's OK.

what proof is there that people were abusing tethering? just curious
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yeah, love how companies can play with their customers.

some of us are pissed off with AT&T for the data caps but because we're the consumers and can't pay for class action suits etc, it's OK.

what proof is there that people were abusing tethering? just curious
it's fairly obvious that there's going to be abuse when there are torrent clients and the like readily available for Android. Don't get me wrong I love my 4G/3G and using my wireless tether from time to time, but in the end I'm still responsible about it and don't do stupid crap like trying to torrent on my connection etc.

Sorry to say but as always the greed of the few screws over the rest of us.
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Want an open phone? By a Pre.
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Had I been able to visit this thread I would have said almost exactly the following:
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That's not why phone's bootloaders are locked at all.

First off, it's virtually impossible to brick your phone using software methods only. It's very difficult, there are so many tools available to modders to recover their "bricked" phones. If we have those tools at our dispense, imagine what tools the manufacturer have. If you returned your "bricked" phone, they can easily return it back to stock...because, well, that's what they do.

The reason manufacturers are locking the bootloaders is to prevent root access to prevent unauthorized tethering, because that's the way the carriers want it.



You're thinking about ROOTING. No one has been able to crack the bootloader on the recently locked bootloaders. It doesn't look like anyone will by the way the community is.

And if they are using the same technology that motorola is using, they are, it's currently unbreakable. Unless you have the key, you will not unlock the bootloader. Look at the Droid X if you don't believe me (although there are semi-workarounds in place for the x). All phones are moving this way, and until this community steps up and gives a real attempt to tackle these locked bootloaders, they will continue to be locked.
To reiterate what quentin said:

We are not talking about rooting - that is easy peasy. The problem is that HTC is starting to sign their bootloaders. When you throw digital signatures in the mix, it becomes difficult, if not impossible in most cases, to get access to the kernel and other goodies that allow you to overclock the processor, allow WiFi tethering, and other such functionality and performance tweaks.

So far no Motorola Android phone since the first Droid has been able to have its bootloader cracked - specifically I am talking about the DX, D2/D2G, DP, and the ATRIX. The bootloaders on these phones will most likely never be accessed.

HTC Thunderbolt was the first device subject to this bogusness but luckily it was hackable. I can't say the same for the DInc2, which makes me fear for the EVO3D and Sensation.

HTC is currently "reviewing" their bootloader policy, which sounds like lip service to me, and Motorola mentioned they would allow dev-friendly functionality in phones released later this year but until I see it I don't believe it's going to happen.

For right now, the only Android phones worth buying are Nexuses, Samsungs and I believe LGs. Maybe some other manufacturers such as Acer and Asus can provide some solid competition in the near future.
Edited by Mapex - 5/25/11 at 5:30pm
post #57 of 73
Meh. The Droid X has a locked bootloader too, but the workarounds are plenty fine for me. I can still root and even use some custom ROMs if I wanted. I work for Sprint as a tech now and will likely be getting the EVO 3D when it comes out.
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The only reason tech gets drm/locked away features is because we let it. If people stopped buying games with drm they wouldnt exist as they do now. Same applies to locked bootloaders on phones and the various other things we are locked out of.

This is why people need to stand up for things they want, because we are the ones buying it and without us (everyone as a whole, not just modders) the companies cant afford to make devices no one will buy.
I see your point. The reason why I compared a locked phone to a custom PC, is because one is provided by the phone carrier and the other is built by the user. The phone carrier can do whatever they want to their phones, it's their creation. If they want to make it tough for users to crack, they can do that at the factory, before you own it.

When you buy it, whatever headaches you have trying to use the phone as not advertised/intended is your issue, not the manufacture. Now, if people can build their own phones and manufactures are locking out features, then we have a problem.

DRM, Locked phones etc., like you said can be simply placed on your "Refuse to buy list." I wouldn't think negatively of a company that tries to protect their IP. Don't buy it, simple.

I don't like phone contracts so I'm with Boost. My protest against phone companies nickel and diming the customer. I take the phones they have on their network and flash it over to Boost. I get all/most the features for $45/mo instead of $100+. Don't complain just refuse.
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You're thinking about ROOTING. No one has been able to crack the bootloader on the recently locked bootloaders. It doesn't look like anyone will by the way the community is.
Don't have to necessarily crack the bootloader when you can go around it Case in point, the locked down bootloader will be "bypassed" by not executing the original Motorola kernel, but rather a second custom kernel.

Of course, development will likely be much slower. The Atrix has been out for months and only recently has this method been worked on
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lol. DRM rearing it's ugly mug in places it has no busines being in. Sigh.

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No they do not. All the Droid X/2 Devs DO NOT support tethering. I'm sure their are plenty of others. If you bring up the subject in XDA it won't be pretty. Verizon and AT&T are VERY pissed off with tethering recently.
BS. EasyTether works juuuust fiine on my Droid 1, and did so before I ever rooted it. No tethering plan.


Or, well, it does if I can convince the phone to not get stuck in a reboot loop...but that's not Verizon's doing. Phone's quite old.
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