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Howdy all. New member, been lurking for a while. Been working with computers all my life but I am a novice overclocker. Very familiar with computers, not very familiar with OC'ing. My recent build is an i7-2600k/Asus MIVE setup and have been familiarizing myself with OC'ing through trial and error. Have had several questions and issues along the way. Like a good noob, I'll refrain from jumping in right away with all my questions and hope to help some out along the way.
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So what specific questions do you have regarding overclocking? i will attempt to help while i find a past post that i had that was apparently very helpful to someone else.

Heres one of my past posts, you probably wont really need this, but its just to clairify:

alright let me go over some basic notes that you gotta know when buying a new computer desktop.

Prebuilt desktops:

Examples are the ones you can pick up at Future Shop, Best Buy or Staples.
Some Good names: Asus, MSI, HP, Acer

Advantages of a prebuilt PC:

-Full System Warrenty support in 1 package
-Quick and easy in case you dont have the time to build one
-Peace of mind, that it is all built with quality

Disadvantages of a prebuilt PC:

-Usually Cheap parts for core components that novice users never look at like Motherboard PSU and RAM
-As soon as warranty is gone, you cannot RMA any parts as they are all OEM
-No overclocking or tweaking options available
-Usually a basic OS installed with bloat ware on it from the manufacture.
-Usually the cable management is horrible

Personally Custom Built PC:

You buy all the parts, from the motherboard, the CPU the HDD and you have control over what parts to buy and what part of your computer will work the hardest and pick the appropriate parts.

Examples: Asus P7P55D-E motherboard, Gigabyte G1 Assassin Motherboard, Corsair P128 SSD, or other single computer parts

Advantages of Custom Built PCs:

-You have control of what parts you put in
-You have control over the operating system, and what operating system you use
-No bloat ware, you configure the OS
-If done properly, the system will be well balanced, and cables should be nice and clean.
-You have multiple warranty plans on EACH individual part, from 1 year to lifetime
-You have COMPLETE control of your computer, you can tweak chips past factory settings, flash you BIOS to the latest version, and mod 1 part, without breaking the warranty of the whole system.

-You can upgrade parts and swap out anything anytime, and still be covered under the original warranty of the other parts, and getting a new warranty on the new part you just bought.

-Flexible, things like Water cooling, and case mods can be done while building and shopping, and a lot more though goes into these machines than OEM ones.
-some warranties support modding and tweaking

-Peace of mind, when you build the exact system spec you want, and quality that is a result of your own hard work.
Disadvantage of a Custom Built PC.

-Its a tad time consuming to put together, make sure u have an hour or 2 at hand, depending on the rig complexity.
-You have to set up any RAID arrays and install the OS which may be daunting for a novice user
-there is a LOT of packaging and spare parts you will have at the end.
-you could potentially end up with a bad part, or a poorly built system, or even in the worst of cases, buy incompatible parts, which are all user mistakes and are the result of a novice user that doesn't do research.

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in conclusion, if all you are doing is browsing the internet, or watching movies on your PC, and do not plan on tweaking a prebuilt is good for you, but i think i speak for all members of OCN here when i say, when you want a desktop PC, Do it right and build it yourself, you learn a lot along the way, and you know what you buy. Custom Machines are much more flexible and in general much more powerful than OEM computers, as the manufactures tend to put emphasis on a few specific parts and cheap on all the other parts to give the illusion of good prices. In this world, what you pay is what you get. So spend the extra buck on premium parts, and you are guaranteed Premium performance if you bought the right things with your money.

My only exception to prebuilt machines is machines from NCIX or IBUYPOWER, because they are basically custom built machines that are assembled elsewhere for you, and then you buy them.

REMEMBER LAPTOPS DO NOT COUNT TO THIS POST, ONLY DESKTOP PCs.

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basically, what im telling you is, before you buy anything, weather it be a computer, or a car, or even a toaster, do your research, and find out what you are getting for what you pay. there was no sense in buying the HP pavilion if you wanted to overclock it, and you could have found of with 5 minutes of google.
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Hello. Just don't blow your circuits. Watch the heat.
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You know what? just to make life easier for you, i will type out a long guide to noob overclocking and ill let the rest of the OCN team awnser your questions

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NOOBS GUIDE TO OVERCLOCKING

By: Pentium 4 531 Overclocker


Alright, first off to overlclock, you must understand what overclocking is. Overclocking is the process of taking CPU, GPU or RAM and pushing the speed envelope past factory settings. These speeds are measured in Megahertz and Gigahearz, depending on what you are overclocking and what time period you are reading this in. An example would be taking an Intel core i7 860 and overclocking it to 4.2GHz which is faster than the 2.8GHz its set with at the factory.

Now overclocking seems to be a VERY good bargain, and you know what? it is!, however there are always pros and cons, lets review them.

PROS of overclocking
-You get the most out of what you paid for
-Extra speed boost without going through expensive upgrades
-Large learning opportunities
-Potential LARGE speed increments
-gives you more from your system within its lifetime

Cons of Overlocking
-more heat output and more power consumption
-You have to have a custom built PC
-Coolers may cost quite a bit
-Long term overclocks may shorten lifespan
-Potential to completely destroy your machine if done incorrectly

Now these cons may seem a little daunting to the novice user, however its not as bad as it seems, and with OCN at your side, nothing should go amiss. Also the potential utter destruction of your system is a very rare case, and is a worst case scenario.

Now, on to the fun parts. To start overclocking you will need a number of different things on the hardware side and the software side.

Software:

3DMark 11 basic
Prime 95
CPU-Z
GPU-Z
CoreTemp
FurMark
MemTest

Hardware:

Custom built PC
High performance CPU or GPU cooler
Good case airflow
digital thermometer (optional)

(also typical tools like a screw driver, and yada yada to mount the cooler)

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Today we will cover CPU overclocking, now there are 2 major competitors in the CPU industry for the home user, Intel and AMD. Both Companies make very good chips and whatever chip you pick should match the tasks you throw at it. all these CPUs will either have a locked or unlocked multiplier, which will be explained in a minute. Basically for AMD any CPU that had "black Edition" in its name or BE has an unlocked multiplier. Any Intel CPU that is an Extreme edition CPU (usually a black box) or has a K at the end of the model number (eg. 875K, 2600K, 2500K) is also unlocked.

To start overclocking, one must enter the BIOS, which is the mother of all chips, and is like the central nervous system. Here you will go to the overclocking section of your BIOS, now some BIOS' will be in 16 bit colour and have no mouse support, and you will need to use a keyboard to manuver and punch in the values, however newer boards have GUI BIOS that allow for a more User friendly experience. this will depend on your board.

In the BIOS, you will want to set your tweaking options to manual control, and get the full bust on your system. disable any power saving options like turbo boost, or C state. and get to the RAM settings. make sure they are set to their stock values. next, your CPU is has an unlocked multiplier, than congratz!, your overclocking will be easy, and all you have to do is bump up the CPU ratio, or multiplier and bump up the CPU core voltage. however if you have a locked CPU multiplier, than you are going to have to do it the honest way. Now to calculate your CPUs clock speed, do this, Base clock X Multiplier = clock speed. so 133MHz X 21 = 2800 or 2.8GHz.

To start the locked overclocking, you will have to increase the CPU base clock, by say 10MHz at a time, and then increase CPU core voltage, PLL and DRAM voltages, then get boot into windows, and run the torture tests, and stability tests, and record temps. Safe CPU temperatures are 65 and below. on a load. continue doing this until you have found your highest stable clocks, or have reached your cooling power envelope, in which case, once stable, congratulations you just finished your first stable overclock. Now fire up CPU-Z and validate your results.
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Extra notes and Tips:

-Experience comes in time
-Prime 95 for 2 hours, and 48Hs once youve found your desired overclock
-RAM tweaking sometimes opens up more overclocking headroom
    
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Hi guys. Thanks for the quick responses. I've updated my sig so as you can see I've already chosen my hardware and built my system. In fact, it's been done for a while..... I ordered most of my parts from Newegg the morning Intel announced the recall so my original motherboard was shipped just a couple of hours before they removed all the affected MB's from their site. I started with the P8P67 Deluxe and decided to upgrade to the MIVE when the Deluxe needed to be replaced. I had to RMA the first MIVE and am now on my second one. For some reason the Deluxe "auto tuned" better than the MIVE (both of them).

I'm familiar with BCLK, CPU ratio and Vcore and how they all work in conjunction with each other. When it comes down to the secondary voltage adjustments and RAM timing not so much. In regards to my first post, I don't have any specific issue I need addressed. Just seems I come across some periodically when trying different things. I probably should have kept notes to keep track of everything I've done and the many quirks this motherboard has thrown at me. Sometimes I don't think they're just quirks it acts up more than I'd like when making the simplest of adjustments.

-I'm still having USB 3.0 issues even though I've been through several BIOS. Ports #1-#4 have been very stable, #5-#8 have been sporadic at best. Especially #7 and #8. Yes I do set the USB 2.0 switch to NEC in BIOS.
-The only time I have no issues resuming from sleep is when everything is set to default. Even if they remain at default, a simple auto tune will keep it from resuming from sleep correctly
-For some reason I cannot get better than 4.6 using extreme auto tune while never getting better than 45 BCLK.
-I've seen people getting high OC's with low Vcore but for some reason I cannot manually get into the 4.8+ range without going to at least 1.39.... seems to work pretty good at 1.42.
-I've had many manual OC's lock my computer up running Prime95 where I have seen others with similar settings get by without breaking a sweat; all while thinking my system should be capable.
-My current issue is whenever I change ANYTHING outside of default many times the computer will not load beyond the "initializing" stage upon startup. All I did today was downgrade to 1303 and run an extreme auto tune, everything else is default. It got 4.5 gHz and now I have to reset half the time because it will not get beyond that first screen.

These are just a couple of examples of things that have left me scratching my head. Not exactly looking for answers to all of them. This is why I've lurked this forum for a while but figured I'd join because this way I can ask about my specific problem and maybe I can add my input since I've seen threads where I could help. I'm not looking to break any OC records, I'd just like to have a nice stable 4.8-4.9 setup because I think it is possible with my system. I know I can get 5.0 if I simply multitask. But I'd like to get 4.8-4.9 and be able to run Prime95 (or similar programs) without lockups. Heck, I'd even be happy with the default 4.6 setup if I knew I could step it up without a problem. OC'ing is really the only thing I haven't tackled when it comes to comps and I'm the kind of person who won't be happy until I know exactly how everything works and my system is up to par, lol.
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