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If I put my processor into the problem PC... Is there any chance of it ruining my processor if the board is indeed bad?
Yes it can damge the processor as well as video cards, RAM or any other expantion cards. A bad board can even go as far as to kill a PSU or vice versa.

Regarding flashing your mobo. I would not try to flash a mobo that is not running stable period. If the mobo locks up in the middle of a flash your dead in the water.
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post #52 of 88
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Crap... So dont try my processor in his board...

How about the other way round... If I test his processor in my computer could a bad processor screw with my stuff...

Im only concerned cause my stuff is considerably more expensive lol.
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I was planning to update the bios... But... I realised it came shipped with the most recent release lol.

Im thinking its the board to... It might be an issue with the ram slots etc... But I highly doubt its the processor...

Heres what I have planned for tonight testing wise:

- Putting my other mates Corsair 400w PSU into the system (I know this one works mint) to eliminate the PSU as the problem.
- Bumping the voltages a tad and test
- Underclock the CPU a fair bit and test
- If none of these work then Im going to put the problem pc processor into my pc and test

One question... If I put my processor into the problem PC... Is there any chance of it ruining my processor if the board is indeed bad?
Yeah I wouldn't swap your processor to that board. The chance however minimal, is still present of messing up your CPU.

Don't bother underclocking his CPU. In order to sort the issue you want to recreate the problem if you can. This should always be your goal when sorting this stuff out. If you underclock and it works then you've solved nothing and only masked the problem.

I had a customer who had a BSoD problem with his 945 system. Every time you got the NB hot doing minor stuff(6 tabs open, watching a TV show etc.) the system would BSoD. Every time never failed. And I could recreate the problem with even less tabs open. It would run for 30 to 45 minutes and BAM! BSoD.

Finally I asked him if he'd like to move over to Win 7 cause I'd narrowed down a problem to XP, only didn't know exactly what it was. Apparently MS Updates included some BS ATi Driver that didn't sit well with the onboard GPU. I had even swept the driver and installed a fresh one from thumbdrive. Sure enough once I got a fresh OS on it everything was Five by Five. No more BSoDs'.

The only way to find the problem is to cross everything off the list of possibilities but don't be afraid of those BSoDs'. They suck, but they help you figure out problems too.

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But putting his processor into my computer is harmless? Like Ive said Ive tested the ram its not that... Ive removed the video card so its not that... If I test the PSU (tonight) and its not that, then If I can test the CPU in my computer that only leaves the board.
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But putting his processor into my computer is harmless? Like Ive said Ive tested the ram its not that... Ive removed the video card so its not that... If I test the PSU (tonight) and its not that, then If I can test the CPU in my computer that only leaves the board.
Yup you shouldn't have any issues moving his processor to your system. Your board is the road and your CPU is the traffic cop. If the traffic cop decides that donuts are better than doing his job nothing happens to the road but a traffic jam.

But if you send your traffic cop to his roads there could be a good chance of your traffic cop liking donuts more too.

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Ok... So if I do the above tonight (I guess minus the underclock of the CPU) then I should know the exact part correct?
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This makes good sense. I only mentioned underclocking as a way to put less stress on the CPU but more so less stress on the mobo i.e. less watts drawn from the board. If you can get the system to run stable enough to check the volts and temps in the bios and are able to get the system to complete an OS install while underclocked then you have wasted your time and found out nothing. IDK what I was thinking. Silly me I just like to test all kinds of things when diagnosing problems. It's more fun that way to me.

Yes try his cop on your highway and if you get no problems then try his storage "ram" and cop on your board. no problems good then try his GPU and all other componants until you get down to the PSU. Once you test all but the PSU in your system and every thing works fine then you only have two options. either board or PSU.

Have you run any test's on the HDD. a defective HDD can do this very thing as well. Some times the HDD is very hard to diagnose until you replace it and the problems vanish. Duplicating the problem w/a different system is a pretty good way to determine what componant or componants are defective.

The chances of a bad processor killing a mobo are less likely than a board damaging a processor. Damage can happen to componants and not even show up for long periods of time then one day sporadic anomalies show up out of the blue w/symtoms like programs locking up, OS not responding, BSOD's or random reboots when there is no reason for it. Don't be to worried about the processor hurting your mobo though. Most of the time when a processor is bad it just reboots or BSOD's alot and happens more and more frequently as it gets worse until one day it just won't work at all. A processor has to be messed up pretty bad in order for it to harm a board and by the sounds of it, if it is the processor it's not bad enough to harm your board IMO as it still runs in the other system.

Edit: Ceaddermen seems to be on top of this one so I'll bow out now and hope that you two get it figured out sooner rather than later. No sense in confusing you w/two different methods at that same time.

Good Luck,

N2G
Edited by N2Gaming - 5/26/11 at 11:34pm
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This makes good sense. I only mentioned underclocking as a way to put less stress on the CPU but more so less stress on the mobo i.e. less watts drawn from the board. If you can get the system to run stable enough to check the volts and temps in the bios and are able to get the system to complete an OS install while underclocked then you have wasted your time and found out nothing. IDK what I was thinking. Silly me I just like to test all kinds of things when diagnosing problems. It's more fun that way to me.

Yes try his cop on your highway and if you get no problems then try his storage "ram" and cop on your board. no problems good then try his GPU and all other componants until you get down to the PSU. Once you test all but the PSU in your system and every thing works fine then you only have two options. either board or PSU.

Have you run any test's on the HDD. a defective HDD can do this very thing as well. Some times the HDD is very hard to diagnose until you replace it and the problems vanish. Duplicating the problem w/a different system is a pretty good way to determine what componant or componants are defective.

The chances of a bad processor killing a mobo are less likely than a board damaging a processor. Damage can happen to componants and not even show up for long periods of time then one day sporadic anomalies show up out of the blue w/symtoms like programs locking up, OS not responding, BSOD's or random reboots when there is no reason for it. Don't be to worried about the processor hurting your mobo though. Most of the time when a processor is bad it just reboots or BSOD's alot and happens more and more frequently as it gets worse until one day it just won't work at all. A processor has to be messed up pretty bad in order for it to harm a board and by the sounds of it, if it is the processor it's not bad enough to harm your board IMO as it still runs in the other system.

Edit: Ceaddermen seems to be on top of this one so I'll bow out now and hope that you two get it figured out sooner rather than later. No sense in confusing you w/two different methods at that same time.

Good Luck,

N2G
Pretty much spot on. Is always good to have someone double check my thought processes.

In any case I think you have it about figured out. Could be a bad HDD but check the system with the 400w PSU. That should give you a reasonably quick answer on the power issue. If system still fails, then swap his CPU to your system to double check it. Should boot right up and be able to run stock speed without issue. If that fails(Passes muster) and if that 500GB HDD is formatted try disabling your HDD(s) and reboot with his HDD in place. You should get the typical setup display. If this shows to be working as expected then I would think that his MoBo is having an issue. No real way of testing a MoBo unfortunately(without a Multimeter) so it's best to take no chances and RMA it.

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Update of the nights work...

- First tried upping the volts a notch, no change still crashed almost immediately in Prime.
- Plugged in my other mates Corsair 400w PSU into the Problem PC... No change still crashed in Prime.
- Took the CPU out of the Problem PC and put it into my working PC... Prime tested for half n hour on blend. No problems all passed.
- Put the ram from the Problem PC into my working CPU (with the Problem PC CPU still in it) Prime tested for an hour, no problems, also memtest86 tested for an hour no problems.
- Tested the Problem PC's HDD in my working computer, using Wester Digitals HDD Diagnositc program (boot cd) did an extended test (1 hour long) passed with no errors...

So from the above I think we have narrowed it to the board... Your thoughts?
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Update of the nights work...

- First tried upping the volts a notch, no change still crashed almost immediately in Prime.
- Plugged in my other mates Corsair 400w PSU into the Problem PC... No change still crashed in Prime.
- Took the CPU out of the Problem PC and put it into my working PC... Prime tested for half n hour on blend. No problems all passed.
- Put the ram from the Problem PC into my working CPU (with the Problem PC CPU still in it) Prime tested for an hour, no problems, also memtest86 tested for an hour no problems.
- Tested the Problem PC's HDD in my working computer, using Wester Digitals HDD Diagnositc program (boot cd) did an extended test (1 hour long) passed with no errors...

So from the above I think we have narrowed it to the board... Your thoughts?
It sounds pretty logical that the board is at fault after all that testing. It could be the heat sinks on the board not cooling the parts under them as intended causing heat related crashes. If this is the case you prolly just want to exchange the board out any way just to prevent any further problems in the future that the heat could of created. Now you know pretty much the best steps to test any system to norrow your search and pinpoint the problematic issue at hand.

Out of curriosity what voltages did you get for both of the PSU's?

Oh and don't forget to post back when you get a new board in the system if and when it fixes all the problems.
Edited by N2Gaming - 5/29/11 at 5:03pm
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