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Is this really surprising? Thought it was already known BD won't be in stores till Q3 due to Global Foundries delays.
So ... ummm... where is that source of yours?
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So ... ummm... where is that source of yours?
Oh, look:



Seriously, though: he hasn't posted a source probably because it's not true. I'm beginning to think Bulldozer is on track but AMD is being very secretive with us until launch, just like they did with the Radeon HD 6990.
    
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IMO The exact quote you used almost disproves this to me. It says that they still plan to release them in early June, why plan for something when you know its not going to happen? So this, to me, is as trustworthy as Harold Camping
THIS. So much this.

And yeah, Intel releasing some information to a few websites is not the same as launching a product at an international event. Plus they are rumored to have a bunch of events in June.



If AMD announces a delay next month then fine...
but the main reason I am calling bs on the source is because they are peddling the idea that AMD will hold all of these launch events and then at the very end say "oh yeah, we forgot the tell you that you can't buy this for 90 more days". Sorry, but that is asinine.
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Uh.. did you even read the article? I have to ask what you think motherboards being prepared have to do with BD CPUs being ready for retail? They're not related. SB Motherboards were available and were previewed an entire month before SB launch. Problems come up. Sh.. er.. Stuff happens.
Yeah I did. But, umm...did you? This didn't come officially from ASUS or MSI, this comes from some site that read it on another site that spoke to some unknown person from an unknown manufacturer. When I hear it from a reliable official source, I'll believe it, till then I call BS on this whole "article" and its source (read: rumour mill).
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THIS. So much this.

And yeah, Intel releasing some information to a few websites is not the same as launching a product at an international event. Plus they are rumored to have a bunch of events in June.



If AMD announces a delay next month then fine...
but the main reason I am calling bs on the source is because they are peddling the idea that AMD will hold all of these launch events and then at the very end say "oh yeah, we forgot the tell you that you can't buy this for 90 more days". Sorry, but that is asinine.
Come on bro.

You are missing the point.

We had SB details, leaked benchmarks, and a whole bunch of info 4 months before it was released. We also knew the date it would be released.

I see you signed up here in February 2011, not sure if you lurked much before then or not. But there was a HUGE countdown thread awaiting the release of Sandy Bridge.
http://www.overclock.net/intel-gener...-released.html

We discussed the benchmarks that turned out to be true, the 4.5+ overclocks, and the only flaming that happened was between SOME 1366 owners and SOME 775 owners that were about to upgrade. It wasn't even Intel vs AMD, it was Intel vs Intel, it was the funniest thing ever. Eventually they all learned to get along. It was pretty clear that the "Mainstream" platform was about to bring serious performance, and even outperform the current "Enthusiast" platform.

AMD fans knew they had nothing to argue about, all they could do was watch.

Looking back at the thread, I just noticed the poll results, and those are very interesting.

If you're planning on upgrading.. From what platform are you coming from?

35% that upgraded to Sandy Bridge were AMD users.

What do we have from Bulldozer?

Roadmaps, architecture info, and a Q2 release date.

Do a search here on OCN for "AMD Bulldozer"

Check out how many threads have turned into flame fests, due to the lack of information on the subject.

How many Bulldozer threads have been closed? How may arguments has there been? IMO, that's not really the best way to introduce and bring a new product to market.

ALL we have is rumors, unconfirmed release dates, not a single Benchmark, tons of speculation, and a LOT of frustrated people.

After all these years of waiting, can anyone confidently say how good BD is going to be? NOPE, and yet, it's supposed to be released in a few weeks.
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we had sb details, leaked benchmarks, and a whole bunch of info 4 months before it was released. We also knew the date it would be released.

After all these years of waiting, can anyone confidently say how good bd is going to be? Nope, and yet, it's supposed to be released in a few weeks.
well said!!!

Duke Bulldozer Forever!!!
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I really hope AMD pulls through and that the release of this goes as according to plan. As others have said, they're far behind in the desktop market--they need this release.
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Come on bro.

You are missing the point.

We had SB details, leaked benchmarks, and a whole bunch of info 4 months before it was released. We also knew the date it would be released.

I see you signed up here in February 2011, not sure if you lurked much before then or not. But there was a HUGE countdown thread awaiting the release of Sandy Bridge.
http://www.overclock.net/intel-gener...-released.html

We discussed the benchmarks that turned out to be true, and the only flaming that happened was between SOME 1366 owners and SOME 775 owners that were about to upgrade. It wasn't even Intel vs AMD, it was Intel vs Intel, it was the funniest thing ever. Eventually they all learned to get along.

AMD fans knew they had nothing to argue about, all they could do was watch.

What do we have from Bulldozer?

Roadmaps, architecture info, and a Q2 release date.

Do a search here on OCN for "AMD Bulldozer"

Check out how many threads have turned into flame fests, due to the lack of information on the subject.

How many Bulldozer threads have been closed? How may arguments has there been? IMO, that's not really the best way to introduce and bring a new product to market.

ALL we have is rumors, unconfirmed release dates, not a single Benchmark, tons of speculation, and a LOT of frustrated people.

After all these years of waiting, can anyone confidently say how good BD is going to be? NOPE, and yet, it's supposed to be released in a few weeks.
All your points are interesting, but not really related to my point which was the validity of the source and why I think it is bs. People who are frustrated about bulldozer should rant about it elsewhere and not ruin every thread related to AMD. Again, all I explained was that I think AMD is not going to paper launch several places around globe three months before availability. That was the topic.

Now as for AMD's strategy it is the same one they used with the 6990 where they released benchmarks just days before launch and that card was a winner.

Look, I dunno if you play hold em but I do... so I apologize if this analogy doesn't work for you but to me Intel and AMD are like two poker players in a "heads up" match.

Intel is the big stack that can afford to play recklessly, throw in big money, tip their hand, etc -- whereas AMD is the short stack who has to fold every hand until they get two aces before pushing in all of their chips. They can't let anybody (Intel, potential Phenom buyers, shareholders, etc) know what they have because they are at so much of a chip disadvantage. They need the perfect poker face.

AMD is going to bet everything on bulldozer/llano, keep quiet until the last moment, and going to try to make a huge impact on the market and people's perceptions. Annoying for us, but they are just doing what they need to in order to compete against the giant Intel.
Edited by JCPUser - 5/25/11 at 6:10pm
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All your points are interesting, but not really related to my point which was the validity of the source and why I think it is bs. People who are frustrated about bulldozer should rant about it elsewhere and not ruin every thread related to AMD. Again, all I explained was that I think AMD is not going to paper launch several places around globe three months before availability. That was the topic.

Now as for AMD's strategy it is the same one they used with the 6990 where they released benchmarks just days before launch and that card was a winner.

Look, I dunno if you play hold em but I do... so I apologize if this analogy doesn't work for you but to me Intel and AMD are like two poker players in a "heads up" match.

Intel is the big stack that can afford to play recklessly, throw in big money, tip their hand, etc -- whereas AMD is the short stack who has to fold every hand until they get two aces before pushing in all of their chips. They can't let anybody (Intel, potential Phenom buyers, shareholders, etc) know what they have because they are at so much of a chip disadvantage. They need the perfect poker face.

AMD is going to bet everything on bulldozer/llano, keep quiet until the last moment, and going to try to make a huge impact on the market and people's perceptions. Annoying for us, but they are just doing what they need to in order to compete against the giant Intel.
Funny you mention Poker, 'cuz I was just playing online.

Just because Intel is the big stack, doesn't mean they're reckless.

Intel says Sandy Bridge is a revenue risk:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...e-revenue-risk

They're playing their big stack well, and not spewing chips un-necessarily, and that's why it has taken AMD so many years to catch up, and as of right now, they're literally 2 generations behind.

I guess Intel holds different cards, since when they hit the flush on the turn. They didn't have to worry about AMD making a full house on the river.

Intel's "paper" launch, only came out a week before SB released. But they put out enough info out there to get people interested during the previous 4 - 5 months. People were excited for SB, they knew it was going to be great, the thread I linked you to proves it.

I understand AMD has to be hush hush about their release and everything, but really, when even their own employees can't give us a straight answer on things, and their potential customers are leaving to Intel, because they are sick of waiting, that's not really giving AMD an advantage.

The whole BD release has been plagued with delays, misinformation, and the frustrated people I speak about are their potential customers who aren't loyal to either brand, and will go to Intel at any time. Can't expect them to wait forever.

Like me, I started building a rig with a 1090T in it, by the time I was finished I ended up with Intel. I don't care what company I go with, so long as they give me the best performance.

SB has raised the bar real high for BD.

If they are betting everything on BD and it doesn't live up to the hype, what exactly are they gonna do next? Hopefully, their ALL-In with the Aces holds up. But as you know Aces against Kings don't always win. Besides, they're not that big of favorites, since we don't know what cards they really are holding.
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well said!!!

Duke Bulldozer Forever!!!
I agree!!!!
 
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