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Hey zodac, considering following that Linux VM setup guide when I get my 1090T next week.

I was wondering if you have any guides for configuring Ubuntu to run AMD core_16 units in WINE (in case I want to set up a folding boot natively), OR if there is any specific reason for using VMWare as opposed to Virtualbox (which I normally use for VMs). Thanks!
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Hey zodac, considering following that Linux VM setup guide when I get my 1090T next week.

I was wondering if you have any guides for configuring Ubuntu to run AMD core_16 units in WINE (in case I want to set up a folding boot natively), OR if there is any specific reason for using VMWare as opposed to Virtualbox (which I normally use for VMs). Thanks!


VMWare 3.0 (and only 3.0) is what's allowing the core "spoof" enough cores to do the -bigadv units in the first place. I'm not sure if your 1090T will be able to get the -bigadv WUs finished on time after the changes are made to -bigadv though. Stanford is changing a great deal of things in the near future, both in terms of minimum cores (16, I think) as well as the deadline times.

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VMWare 3.0 (and only 3.0) is what's allowing the core "spoof" enough cores to do the -bigadv units in the first place. I'm not sure if your 1090T will be able to get the -bigadv WUs finished on time after the changes are made to -bigadv though. Stanford is changing a great deal of things in the near future, both in terms of minimum cores (16, I think) as well as the deadline times.

VMWare 3.0.0 isn't really needed for "spoofing" cores, it's all done in Linux. 3.0.0 of VMWare is needed though to utilize all threads on a 4+core machine (X6. i7 etc.). I believe that VirtualBox doesn't have the core cap in place, it can at least use 12 cores/threads.

A 1090T, especially through a VM, will probably not be able to crank out bigadv after the change, they are however really good SMP folders too and can get easily get 20k in native Linux (3.8 and above). Running _16 in Linux, going through WINE or otherwise is not supported AFAIK.
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VMWare 3.0 (and only 3.0) is what's allowing the core "spoof" enough cores to do the -bigadv units in the first place.

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VMWare 3.0.0 isn't really needed for "spoofing" cores, it's all done in Linux. 3.0.0 of VMWare is needed though to utilize all threads on a 4+core machine (X6. i7 etc.). I believe that VirtualBox doesn't have the core cap in place, it can at least use 12 cores/threads.

A 1090T, especially through a VM, will probably not be able to crank out bigadv after the change, they are however really good SMP folders too and can get easily get 20k in native Linux (3.8 and above). Running _16 in Linux, going through WINE or otherwise is not supported AFAIK.


http://linuxforge.net/docs/crunching/fah-virtualbox.php For simplicity/quickness sake, you guys have any experience with this/think it will work?

Thanks both of you for clarifying- I knew I probably wouldn't be able to run bigadv. However, getting 20k PPD folding SMP would be quite nice compared to the 4-5k or so now on this x4 running 3 threads.
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I use the VMWare version from the same site. It works great for me. Assuming VMw and Vbox are similarly effective there wouldn't be any difference in performance. The only experience I've got with running a VM and X6 is on my 1055@3.44 and it tops out at 15-16k PPD when it's left alone (driving a 460 folding at the same time though).
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VMWare 3.0 (and only 3.0) is what's allowing the core "spoof" enough cores to do the -bigadv units in the first place. I'm not sure if your 1090T will be able to get the -bigadv WUs finished on time after the changes are made to -bigadv though. Stanford is changing a great deal of things in the near future, both in terms of minimum cores (16, I think) as well as the deadline times.

 

 


VMWare 3.0.0 isn't really needed for "spoofing" cores, it's all done in Linux. 3.0.0 of VMWare is needed though to utilize all threads on a 4+core machine (X6. i7 etc.). I believe that VirtualBox doesn't have the core cap in place, it can at least use 12 cores/threads.

A 1090T, especially through a VM, will probably not be able to crank out bigadv after the change, they are however really good SMP folders too and can get easily get 20k in native Linux (3.8 and above). Running _16 in Linux, going through WINE or otherwise is not supported AFAIK.

 

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I use the VMWare version from the same site. It works great for me. Assuming VMw and Vbox are similarly effective there wouldn't be any difference in performance. The only experience I've got with running a VM and X6 is on my 1055@3.44 and it tops out at 15-16k PPD when it's left alone (driving a 460 folding at the same time though).


Thanks for the clarification. I have used both VMWare and VirtualBox and found that I preferred the hardware compatibility from VMWare but that VirtualBox was a bit more flexible and customizable with how you set your installation up and what formats you use to do so. Both seemed to perform so close to one another on SMP that I couldn't tell the difference. That being said, the performance gains of using the Linux client through the virtual machine were negligible at best for me and I'm doing just as well on the no nonsense "beta" CPU client that runs through a command prompt inside of Windows. (My PC has VT-x support.)

 

EDIT: VirtualBox allowed me to use 16 cores on my 2500K (which is 4 core) so yes, there didn't appear to be a low core cap in Linux with VirtualBox.

 

Native Linux, on the other hand, was slightly (but statistically significantly) faster than native Windows or VMs in Windows for me. The issue that I had with native Linux was that I lost the flexibility of being able to game while folding (at low performance) then close out of the game and let the PC go back to full-scale folding. On an absolutely dedicated folding machine, I think that the Linux clients are the way to go but it wasn't worth it to me.

 

I don't have any experience with folding on an AMD machine, so my PPD amounts would be irrelevant to this discussion.

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Native Linux, on the other hand, was slightly (but statistically significantly) faster than native Windows or VMs in Windows for me. The issue that I had with native Linux was that I lost the flexibility of being able to game while folding (at low performance) then close out of the game and let the PC go back to full-scale folding. On an absolutely dedicated folding machine, I think that the Linux clients are the way to go but it wasn't worth it to me.

Makes sense, I would agree with the usability aspect regarding dedicated Linux vs a Windows 7 multi-use/gaming setup. I enjoy the flexibility offered while folding on Windows.

I also have to wonder how well different distros of Linux would do against each other. Until about 5 months ago when I started gaming on my PC a lot more, I ran Crunchbang Statler (Debian Squeeze based) 24/7. Running openbox my system used about 150mb RAM, compared to modern Ubuntu which by default uses 1gb on my machine. I loved Ubuntu back during 9.04 (Jaunty) but every release since has gotten worse and worse with using more resources while doing less, fixing less bugs and dropping support for older hardware entirely...

I have to wonder how PPD would look between Windows 7, Ubuntu 10.10, Ubuntu 11.10 and Debian Squeeze (in VMs), let alone something fully customized for folding beyond my means of operating like Slackware. Perhaps when my 1090T comes in I'll do a comparison between Ubuntu, Crunchbang and Windows 7 and post the results..
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I also have to wonder how well different distros of Linux would do against each other. Until about 5 months ago when I started gaming on my PC a lot more, I ran Crunchbang Statler (Debian Squeeze based) 24/7. Running openbox my system used about 150mb RAM, compared to modern Ubuntu which by default uses 1gb on my machine. I loved Ubuntu back during 9.04 (Jaunty) but every release since has gotten worse and worse with using more resources while doing less, fixing less bugs and dropping support for older hardware entirely...

I have to wonder how PPD would look between Windows 7, Ubuntu 10.10, Ubuntu 11.10 and Debian Squeeze (in VMs), let alone something fully customized for folding beyond my means of operating like Slackware. Perhaps when my 1090T comes in I'll do a comparison between Ubuntu, Crunchbang and Windows 7 and post the results..


For out of the box distros, Ubuntu 10.10 seems to have the best blend of ease of installation, hardware compatibility, and folding performance. Even a Linux novice can get it up and running easily. There is a low overhead custom kernel console only distro that is supremely good at folding and I can't remember what the name of it was. I believe that it was Gentoo based. You could always compile your own kernel or set up and run a highly customized Arch Linux. I know overclockix was another popular distro and it could be run headless, I think or at the very least from a live cd.

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http://linuxforge.net/docs/crunching/fah-virtualbox.php For simplicity/quickness sake, you guys have any experience with this/think it will work?

Thanks both of you for clarifying- I knew I probably wouldn't be able to run bigadv. However, getting 20k PPD folding SMP would be quite nice compared to the 4-5k or so now on this x4 running 3 threads.


Oh... LOL! That's the other little console only distro that I was trying to remember the link to. Yes, that worked very well from a virtualbox for me and it was quite efficient.

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So, I filled the Cat2 position; the last full-time position on my list! :wheee:

 

Then get a PM from another team looking for another. :doh:

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