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I've researched everywhere, and it seems to be a heated discussion over single-rail vs. multi-rail power supplies. Recently, I got an EVGA GTX 460 SE to replace a 9800 GTX+. Currently running this power supply:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182016

Using this mobo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128084

Along with 2 sticks ddr2 1066 G.Skill ram, and a Q8200. Not the best cpu, but good when I was on a budget.

I've always had a slight issue of not being able to overclock the cpu successfully, constantly shutting off and not posting, doing it over and over, and with luck, hopefully having it post and moving on. But now, with the new card installed, I can no longer overclock the cpu (2.33ghz to 2.91ghz before).

After reading, the PSU is multi rail, and the rails have an 18 and 16 amp on each, respectfully, when the cards, new and old, require at least 24. So I thought, what if I got a single rail, would it help? Preferably with on budget, I found this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182200

I just need to know if this will solve stability issues, and if I'd be able to actually post on a clock that I know will work, rather than hassling to get it to overclock successfully.
Edited by Kotzur76 - 5/26/11 at 2:50am
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Single rail is just a marketing gimmic told by the manufacturers to make you believe you get something thats extra good.
In reality, they remove some of the security features to save some cash.
Multi rail systems are preferred, atleast on high wattage PSU's because single rail can cause a fire on your motherboard incase something shorts out.

My guess is that you just need a better quality PSU, 80+ sertification.
600w or more wouldnt hurt either
post #3 of 11
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I've really seen both sides. Some say it is, some say it isn't. That new one seems promising, but still am unsure whether it will allow me to do what I want to do. Everyone does say the PSU is the most overlooked part when trying to figure out the hitch in the system.

Considering what I linked of what I have, and what I'd like to get, would it be a viable choice of an upgrade to hopefully have some success?
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single > multi IMO
Dont flame me its an opinion, and yes DO know the safety things in multi rail that are safer i just prefer single.

EDIT that PSU will do more than what you want.
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As far as safety goes, single-rail doesn't pose any problem I should be concerned about, does it? Like fire hazards, ruining/burning out components, etc.? I would think they would have SOME kind of protection against it if it's a single-rail built PSU.
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Originally Posted by Kotzur76 View Post
As far as safety goes, single-rail doesn't pose any problem I should be concerned about, does it? Like fire hazards, ruining/burning out components, etc.? I would think they would have SOME kind of protection against it if it's a single-rail built PSU.
Here is the difference:
At higher wattages 750+ single rail DOES lack in safety features, since all the current is on one rail it will take MORE power for the safety features to kick in, thus giving a higher chance of it taking out the components before it hits the shutdown threshhold, whereas in a multi rail one since there are multi rails with low amps it wont take as much to trigger the safety features and it will shut itself down sooner.

But the odds of you NEEDING a multi rail for safety features is very unlikely unless youre going ith high wattages, for 630w your cool.
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Why single rail is NOT better than multi rail

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But the odds of you NEEDING a multi rail for safety features is very unlikely unless youre going ith high wattages, for 630w your cool.
Yep, which was why I wrote high wattage PSU's in my first post
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Why single rail is NOT better than multi rail



Yep, which was why I wrote high wattage PSU's in my first post
Yeahhh, I saw that post and that is what made me worry on getting the single rail at all. But if that PSU should let me finally successfully overclock, and I won't be looking at a fried motherboard one day, I guess I'll go ahead and get it
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Originally Posted by Kotzur76 View Post
Yeahhh, I saw that post and that is what made me worry on getting the single rail at all. But if that PSU should let me finally successfully overclock, and I won't be looking at a fried motherboard one day, I guess I'll go ahead and get it
The review about the PSU you linked in the bottomn of your post can be found here

And they gave it the Gold Award score
Edited by Norlig - 5/26/11 at 3:25am
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