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Originally Posted by Oscuro View Post
Okay...something I found funny here:

Ebert wasn't commenting on the quality difference between digital and celluloid, but the fact that theaters are under lighting the movies. Even making the comment that it's been going on for a long time, even before digital, in how many theaters were running the xenon bulbs at a lower wattage.

The only real remark regarding image quality he made really, was that digital gave a "colder" image compared to celluloid.

To be honest, your comment comes across as if you yourself didn't even read the editorial. Which is what you criticize Ebert of doing himself.
The lighting used is most certainly affected by which medium is employed for distribution of the film. I didn't state that he was arguing over which format is better, just that I'm tired of the man and his overzealous opinions which (in my opinion) don't always have a basis in context of which he's reporting. He bashes digital reproduction several times in his article (did you read it?) and is obviously biased towards the olden days of celluloid film.

I didn't comment on the intentional darkening of theaters as I've never noticed it except for a very select few movies from several years ago. Before I became a parent, the wife and I would see 1-2 movies a weekend, so you can imagine how many movies I've been to over the years. The theater where I live seems to have quite the professional staff, and the picture/sound are typically top-notch. I guess I'm lucky.

These are the quotes that stood out to me and why I commented why I did:

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Digital projectors have been force-fed to theaters by an industry hungry for the premium prices it can charge for 3D films. As I've been arguing for a long time, this amounts to charging you more for an inferior picture.
Pretty self-explanatory. I'm not a huge fan of 3D movies, but Tron was freakin' amazing in 3D! (My enthusiasm probably stems from being a fan of the first Tron.)
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I began by asking if you notice, really notice, what a movie looks like. I have a feeling many people don't. They buy their ticket, they get their popcorn and they obediently watch what is shown to them.
So now the general public doesn't have a clue on what/how a film should look like, but he does apparently. I agree with him in some respects that the general awe-inspiring days of major movie production without cheesing it up via CGI are long-gone, but I definitely know what looks good, and what doesn't. Digital cable television for instance, was TERRIBLE looking at first as it employed a lower gamma setting. They have sorted that out by now fortunately.

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Go into Theater 14 at the Common, newly outfitted with a Christie 4K projector, and you'll see a picture that is bright and crisp, if somewhat colder than celluloid.
You noticed this quote as well, so I won't comment on it.

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Your best bet is apparently to (1) find a theater that doesn't use digital at all, (2) doesn't use Sony projectors, or (3) still projects light through celluloid the traditional way.
So, to enjoy an Ebert-qualified experience, I have to either quiz theater management (But wait, didn't he say I wouldn't notice good quality anyway??) on what hardware they're using, or in fact demand celluloid.

Not to be argumentative, but did I really need to explain why I chose my stance regarding this chuckle-head? His reviewing days have gone down the toilet with regards to quality in my opinion ever since Siskel kicked the bucket. I admit that I am biased when I read his work since I am not a fan of his reviews, hence my nasty tone.
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" Your best bet is apparently to (1) find a theater that doesn't use digital at all, (2) doesn't use Sony projectors, or (3) still projects light through celluloid the traditional way."

Poor ole sony

I haven't even went to the movie theatre in quite some time and listening to the radio at work and sometimes hearing how many dumb 3d movies are coming out makes me not want to.
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At first when i read the title i thought they made some alarming discovery the sun will die much quicker then previously thought.

Then i was severely disappointed.
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Originally Posted by nathris View Post
I was forced to watch Thor in 3D rather than 2D. Honestly it wasn't that bad. Even if the new 3d projectors aren't that good, it was in a crappy little theatre with 2 screens, and the newer projectors were way clearer than the old crap they used to have. (sound still sucked though)
I saw Thor in 3D and it was WAY too dark. Even the daytime scenes in the desert were dark.

As a guy working in VFX, it's a real kick in the teeth when my hard work gets put on screen with this shabby level of quality.
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I used to always see movies opening weekend because i knew the film would look best.

I still see film if they have it, over digital.

But I've noticed that if i see digital long after release a lot of times it will look blurry too. Like they only set it up day one and forget it afterwards.
    
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I saw Thor in 3D and it was WAY too dark. Even the daytime scenes in the desert were dark.

As a guy working in VFX, it's a real kick in the teeth when my hard work gets put on screen with this shabby level of quality.
Like I said, I, personally, hope that the 3D thing is a FAD that will die off, or at least shrink back. I can't stand to watch live action movies in 3D; I find it too hard to follow the action.
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Originally Posted by trueg50 View Post
Sennheiser HD 280's? Check
Decent 24" LCD? Check
Decent soundcard? Check

I have my theater experience right here, no listening to any one talking, or chewing like a Rottweiler.

It is nice to see that people actually care about image quality, rather then just accepting that "Oh it is a movie theater, it doesn't get any better and this is how we are meant to see it".
Not sure most people would consider a 24" monitor a theater experience. I have a 55" TV at a fairly close viewing range and I still don't feel like it's a theater experience.
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post #28 of 30
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Not sure most people would consider a 24" monitor a theater experience. I have a 55" TV at a fairly close viewing range and I still don't feel like it's a theater experience.
Pixel Density>some 55" 1080p screen.

Knowing HDTV's, a high end monitor will have better colors, blacks, contrast, and a higher PPI (obviously). You don't want to sit close to HDTV's, ugh just so grainy and pixelated.
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post #29 of 30
That's why God invented plasma...heck I have to get within two feet of my 58" before I can see a pixel and the colors and black levels are just so nice.

Back on topic, I have to agree with the article a bit but not just regarding brightness. It seems that the majority of your big chain theaters and many of the independent ones as well just don't know, bother, or care about a perfect presentation.

Too often it seems as if they get the equipment, install it and see if something shows up on the screen and plays through the speakers. If it does that is all the further they go.

More often then not these days either the picture is out of focus, the subwoofer(s) are blown, the picture is too dark, there are discolorations on the screen or some combination of all the above.

It's also highly distracting when you can make out the pixels on the screen...come on people we aren't doing a powerpoint in a boardroom!
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The biggest complaint I have with currently going to the movies is the craziest effect very similar to CRTs flickering.
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