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Originally Posted by nolonger View Post
4500MHz at 1.3V (0.1V above stock vCore) is already above the max rated sustained load specced by Intel. Comes out to about 147W.
Tested that on prime small FFT a bit earlier. Max sustained full load was about 101W at 4.5 ghz 1.3v load.
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There is no need for triple posts.
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post #143 of 171
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Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
Probably unstable. I once had prime just close completely at 1.392v @ 5 ghz, after a 3 hour run...it just vanished without an error....

Either raise your vcore up a notch or raise your PLL voltage to 1.86v.
Done...

What does the PLL Overvoltage affect?
post #144 of 171
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Tested that on prime small FFT a bit earlier. Max sustained full load was about 101W at 4.5 ghz 1.3v load.
How are you measuring the cpu wattage?
    
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post #145 of 171
Probabley through RealTemp, it says mine is like 72w with 5Ghz LOL!
These things would pull like ~170w at that?
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post #146 of 171
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Originally Posted by thealex132 View Post
Probabley through RealTemp, it says mine is like 72w with 5Ghz LOL!
These things would pull like ~170w at that?
Yeah, looking at the watts in software doesn't tell you much. I'm sure a 980x @ 5.6ghz 1.8V is pulling more than 17 watts difference than at 4.2Ghz 1.35V.
But not according to hwmonitor & coretemp.
    
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Hwmonitor was a good monitor for me with my Phenom II 965, it was 125w at stock, then when I undervolted i by 0.275t and overclocked it by 400Mhz it stayed almost the same, going up by 3w
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HWmonitor won't give you an actual power reading unless it supports your board's VRM monitoring IC/EPU, which is distinct from the rest of the sensors.

Without this support it will just list an estimated/rated TDP that may be completely off.

You will need to judge each board on a case by case basis when using HWmonitor. Not all boards have ICs cabable of measuring actual current draw, and many of those that do not have the IC connected to all power phases. You need to be familiar with the physical position of these components on your board and exactly what they connect to.

For example, my ASUS P6TD Deluxe has an "ASUS EPU" controller attached to half of the power phases (8 out of 16), and only measures current draw from these phases. To get a good estimate of how much power my CPU is drawing, I need to double this number.

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That's exactly what I'm thinking..but why would they have made the K series (unlocked processors for overclocking)
They sell processors with the same electric specifications and an unlocked multiplier for more. Doesn't cost them a thing and it's the end-user's problem if degradation does happen.

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This is interesting. But I've had 0.030v of degradation by staying far UNDER that 130w ceiling. With multiple prime runs at 1.404v load and 5 ghz, my wattage never exceeded 119W. Yet the chip still degraded to the point where it needs 1.440v load now and that also affected the 4.5 ghz overclock as well, making it need 1.26v instead of 1.236v.

BTW I primed at 5 ghz, 1.5v LOAD (on the other 2600k), and the wattage was still below 130W in prime. So I'm very sure there's more than just that at work.

BTW guys, I think people are taking this out of context.
Having a 1.52v VID assumes (quite obviously) that you are NOT using LLC. You use LLC + 1.52v you're going completely outside specifications. However, keeping the VID at or under 1.52v (~1.40VCC at max load) does NOT guarantee that your chip will not degrade slightly, as some people have had to bump their voltages slightly when they were as low as 1.25v or 1.3v after a couple of weeks!

Likewise, SOME People who have been above 1.4v loaded have NOT had to bump their voltages at all.

Not all chips will perform identically, and likewise, not all boards are identical, either.

But if you DO exceed the electrical specifications, it does INCREASE the chances that not only will you have to bump voltages, you may have to bump them more, and possibly more often, because they stop needing vcore increses. It also increases the chances that you will see degradation within HOURS, instead of days/weeks, as the person who was just benching (not even running prime at 1.6v had.....(he had to bump voltage by 0.015v after just two hours of benching).
Read my post where I showed the formula for calculating CPU Wattage. You are far above the 130W Intel limit.
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Read my post where I showed the formula for calculating CPU Wattage. You are far above the 130W Intel limit.
While you are almost certainly correct that Falkentyne's CPU is drawing more than 130w (it's probably closer to 200, give or take 30) there is no general formula that will accurately give a CPU's power consumption/TDP. Any formula would need separate figures plugged in for each individual CPU.

I have several chips of the same model and stepping that have wildly different leakage, and this different power consumptions at the exact same speed and voltage.

One of my high leakage i7 950 pulled over 190w (measured on two separate boards with the on board current meter, and a DMM) at 3.9GHz with 1.25v. My lowest leakage 950 drew about 130w at identical settings.
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