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Looking for some pointers/help.

My Twin Frozr 3 is acting strange. Just went from an EVGA GTX 465 SC to this card and so far disappointed. First one I received I had to RMA due to physical damage on card. Both had/have same issue though.

Issue
I am getting weird 'tearing' or something close to tearing in almost every game I play and right after I input my password for Windows.

In video games its a horizontal line that looks like interference going across the screen. They vary in width, and the amount on screen at once but only seem to happen when I start getting high FPS. I assume this is tearing because in games like BFBC2 where I can enable Vsync, I am less prone to notice my issue. Enabling Vsync in CCC doesn't seem to work on anything. It doesn't show up when I try and FRAPS and it is very hard to get in a screenshot.

I don't have these issues using my GTX 465 SC card at all. I do use Driver Sweeper in safe mode to clean all old driver files out before I install new drivers. Using the Catalyst 11.5 drivers for the 6950. I have connected card using HDMI and DVI connections to my ACER H233H monitor.

First time going ATI since 2001 and I am regretting it hardcore now. Any help or thoughts appreciated.
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How's it AMD's fault for you getting a bum card from MSI who not only deviated from reference design but completely redesigned the pcb for "better" performance? I have to ask this because you're ready to blame someone, and not the company that sent you possibly a 2nd bum card.

About the drivers, in regards to AMD you're not supposed to use driversweeper, just use the uninstall app from either a new/old driver extracted folder or from programs & features in the control panel.

Regarding the horizontal line, that's screen tearing. The image moves too fast for your display. Turn the eye candy up or as you noticed, enable vsync.
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Physical damage due to shipping...?
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How's it AMD's fault for you getting a bum card from MSI who not only deviated from reference design but completely redesigned the pcb for "better" performance? I have to ask this because you're ready to blame someone, and not the company that sent you possibly a 2nd bum card.
About the drivers, in regards to AMD you're not supposed to use driversweeper, just use the uninstall app from either a new/old driver extracted folder or from programs & features in the control panel.

Regarding the horizontal line, that's screen tearing. The image moves too fast for your display. Turn the eye candy up or as you noticed, enable vsync.
All these points.
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Physical damage due to shipping...?
The first card I received was bent in at the header where the displays plug into. I am guessing it either happened in MSI warehouse, Newegg warehouse or during shipping. Shipping box was intact so I guess it was in a warehouse somewhere.


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How's it AMD's fault for you getting a bum card from MSI who not only deviated from reference design but completely redesigned the pcb for "better" performance? I have to ask this because you're ready to blame someone, and not the company that sent you possibly a 2nd bum card.

About the drivers, in regards to AMD you're not supposed to use driversweeper, just use the uninstall app from either a new/old driver extracted folder or from programs & features in the control panel.

Regarding the horizontal line, that's screen tearing. The image moves too fast for your display. Turn the eye candy up or as you noticed, enable vsync.
I could be jumping the gun on the blame but AMD drivers do suck. I am not blaming AMD for a broken card, I am re-frustrated at them for drivers that apparently don't work. IE forcing Vsync on in the CCC doesn't do anything in games. I have to use Rivatuner to do that if a game doesn't have it like Age of Conan.

As for turning up the eye candy to eat up more power, I have Age of Conan on full max settings and still get this tearing. Can't really go any higher than it is.

I just don't get why I never had to enable Vsync with my Nvidia cards before or seen tearing with them and then I go and see how ATI is doing with their cards and I get all these issues. It is fustrating but that is why I am here. Not getting much help on the MSI forums so I came to ask the pros over here.

Everything I see, including this forum and I see good things about this card. I guess I have to RMA another one, but I will try a clean install of Windows before I do that again.

Edit: If after extensive testing I still see this tearing with Vsync (either forced on with Rivatuner or in game setting), would the only option be to RMA the card again?
Edited by SemperfiMorder - 5/26/11 at 9:45pm
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What are your fps like? Also, you can force higher quality settings in catalyst. About vsync, I'm not sure why but some games won't run with vsync on w/o some modding.
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What are your fps like? Also, you can force higher quality settings in catalyst. About vsync, I'm not sure why but some games won't run with vsync on w/o some modding.
Thanks for reply. BFBC2 without Vsync enabled is anywhere from 55-110+ fps. Age of Conan is like 35-90+fps.

If I run anything older than the 8.850 driver, then the performance of the card drops severely.
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If vsync is on, it should be 60fps all the time. Btw there's a MSI rep here, MSIAlex.
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If vsync is on, it should be 60fps all the time. Btw there's a MSI rep here, MSIAlex.
Yeah when I have Vsync enabled for BFBC2 it sticks to 60, and the tearing is way less noticeable if it is even still happening. Will have to do more testing on it this weekend when I can sit down and game/test more. Eyes are so tired from staring and focusing for this the past 2hrs today.

Well hopefully MSIAlex can give me some insight to my issue, if its hardware related or something I am nubbing up. Like I said haven't messed with ATI since 2001 so enabling/disabling features (like in CCC) is a work in progress. Have been researching it a lot though so I know a little.
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Should I download 11.5b or just stick with 11.5 drivers? Just did a clean install of windows 7 hoping to fix my tearing.
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