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Next to "what distro for me?" the next most recurring question seems to be "what distro for old box?" so here's an example.

This global site, www.Slackware.com (and yeah it is essentially text only but a hub for tens of thousands of visitors every day and hundreds of mirrors) runs on a

600 MHz PIII with 512MB ram

and of course it runs Slackware Linux. FWIW this server commonly stays up for a year at a time, updated constantly, without a single reboot. It has never been defaced let alone compromised. Solid. Fast. Secure.

So, if you think your five year old laptop is too old, perhaps you might think again. If you're so new to Linux you need to ask any sort of "what distro...?" you may have heard that Slackware is hard and too 1337 for n00bs or a pita to update and install new apps. I installed my first instance of Slackware over 10 years ago when I was "pre-nubescent" and Slackware (and all Linux) was a LOT harder.

Will it take some little effort to get it right? Yep. Is it worth it? I think so, since I still run it on everything including a home "streamer" and an online Minecraft gaming server. It won't cost you more than an afternoon to try it and a month or two to discover just how solid and fast it is, and how adept you've become in the process. If you salvage an old box like Slackware.com has, you could afford all 3 major game consoles and the Top 10 games for each and avoid the third most common question/stumbling block, "can I game on Linux?"

Oh yeah..and the latest version is.... well, 13.37.
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Haha, nice advert
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@chemicalfan - Thanks... I think However in the strictest sense of the word, since it is neither hyperbole nor offers any gain to me, it isn;t truly an advert. While it is pretty obvious that even as sweet a sticky as "What Distro for Me?" is many just miss ir so I suffer no illusions that it will have any major impact. I just hope that someone googling for what they can do to salvage an old box comes across this thread and obtains some hope as well as info.

Plus, seeing OCN seems all about Ubuntu and it's derivatives and of course Arch (which I find considerably harder to install and setup than Slack albeit pretty easy to use once that's accomplished) it just behooves me to chime in from time to time since I rarely recommend Slack as a 1st distro. It is an epic step up for 2nd tho!
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If I get the .iso, will it have a live option? I've not tried Slackware. I use SLAX as my OS when traveling, because I don't trust open hotel WiFi, and I really like it. I've considered, several times, making it my everyday at home OS. Since the names are similar, are the OS's comparable?
    
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I've got Ubuntu 11.04 running on my 7 year old Dell Latitude D505.

But I can't get the screen's native res of 1400x1050 to work, and I've read there's issues with the Intel 855 chipset and Linux.
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Comparable...I'd say no. SLAX is a liveCD only (at least, I don't think a frugal install is recommended), and as such you don't have to worry about the setup. They use the same packages, so you get the same, vanilla code (a good thing on the whole) though.

Slack is notorious because of the setup "difficulty" (I'm trying to choose my words here, or enorbet will get annoyed! ). It not that it's difficult, it's just not point-and-click. You need to research each program you wish to install, and manuall resolve dependencies yourself. This means that you literally know everything that's on your system, because you've had to install it manually. It's a level of control unmatched by anything other than LFS.

From a config perspective, it's supposed to be easy (the KISS principle), but I've no first hand experience. I'd be surprised if it were any different than other non-GUI configs though, most configs are package-specific - they're common across distros
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Originally Posted by Markeh View Post
I've got Ubuntu 11.04 running on my 7 year old Dell Latitude D505.

But I can't get the screen's native res of 1400x1050 to work, and I've read there's issues with the Intel 855 chipset and Linux.
Sorry for the DP....I presume you've edited your /etc/xorg.conf file to include that resolution? I'm not aware of an issue with that chipset, considering the age, I'd be a bit surprised?
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I did realise it helps to check that the hi-res screen is actually fitted to your laptop and not an optional extra -facepalm-
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I've got Ubuntu 11.04 running on my 7 year old Dell Latitude D505.

But I can't get the screen's native res of 1400x1050 to work, and I've read there's issues with the Intel 855 chipset and Linux.
I wouldnt run ubuntu on such a old laptop. Ubuntu is a pig on resources. Try Crunchbang.
Thats pretty amazing that the Slackware homepage is hosted on a p3.
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If I get the .iso, will it have a live option? I've not tried Slackware. I use SLAX as my OS when traveling, because I don't trust open hotel WiFi, and I really like it. I've considered, several times, making it my everyday at home OS. Since the names are similar, are the OS's comparable?
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The first Live instance of Slackware was ZipSlack and it is still in use but extremely limited because it was designed for floppies. Slax, and then it's excellent tangential offspring, Slax-Remix (now called Porteus) grew out of Slackware as a LiveCD option and extensive use of addons that they call modules, so you can custom build your iso before you even download it, bear a very strong resemblance to SlackBuilds, which is good because SlackBuilds are superb.

I actually have Slax-Remix installed to hard drive on an old laptop but frankly I plan to replace it with real Slackware because although the "makeboot.sh" script worked on hdd just like on a USB stick and it does save changes, there are hoops that are necessary for a Live USB that can be promiscuous versus a hard, dedicated hdd install.

So the quick answer is "Yes, you can... but it is not a good idea". Everything you like about Slax can easily be duplicated with Slackware and it actually runs better since it is dedicated and not "one size fits all".

Seriously... don't fret about dependency resolution for even one minute, especially since you love Slax. The main Slackware ISO is for a DVD and the full install is recommended. This provides most of what most Desktop/SOHO desire in applications. There is also a healthy Extras section for somewhat rarer optional applications. All of these can be installed after the initial install with a simple "installpkg foo" since if you did the full install, all the dependencies are already there.

There are a few applications that have grown in popularity that aren't included on the DVD and even extremely obscure ones are readily available from SlackBuilds.org (hosted by one of the Slackware Team, Eric Hameleer aka Alien Bob) and from many other community repositories.

As long as you pay attention to system version (it's in the search bar) you will get apps guaranteed to work on your system. Others may also work. For example some designed for v12 ran fine on v13 for me and also vice versa, but it is safer to use the ones designed for your version.

All dependencies are listed and their versions and exact download links are there as well. So for example if you wish to install something really big like Wine, you will see a list of 6 dependencies and you get them through SlackBuilds as well, put them in an install folder and run the install script(s)... Done! Guaranteed.

Installing Wine on 13.37 took me less than a half-hour and I used "upgradepkg ./wine-foo.txz" to upgrade from 1.2 to 1.3 and it works beautifully. While that is somewhat longer than a managed install, I got to pick optional stuff and a single command will uninstall any component I want instead of risking throwing out the baby with the washwater as exists on such systems.

It's just not hard and it is so worth it in getting a sacrosanct system that will never break because of a simple, single new or updated application. Priorities, right?

Here's a link for a step-by-step Slackware install and although it is for version 12 it is the same basic set as far back as v10 and on v13.37, so what you learn now will also work tomorrow. If it ain't broke....

http://www.howtoforge.com/the_perfec...op_slackware12

If you need further help, post here or PM me.
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