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Originally Posted by Ben the OCer View Post
I'm not saying buy an iMac instead of a custom built PC, but let's just see how much it would cost to build a similar system to the top end $1999 27" iMac:

Apple iMac 27" 3.1GHz Specifications
Intel i5 2400 3.1GHz
4GB DDR3-1333
HD6970M 1GB (960SPs)
1TB 7200RPM HDD
Slot Load DVD Burner
802.11n Wi-Fi
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR
Mac OS X 10.6.7
Apple Wireless Keyboard
Apple Magic Mouse
27" 2560x1440 IPS LCD
FaceTime HD WebCam
Total: $1,999 free shipping + tax

Custom Built PC Specifications
Intel i5 2400 3.1GHz: $189.99
Gigabyte Z68 LGA1155 Mobo: $104.99
G.Skill Ripjaw 4GB DDR3-1600: $49.99
MSI HD6850 1GB (960SPs): $149.99
WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD: $59.99
Antec Eco 520W PSU: $59.99
Cooler Master HAF 912: $49.99
LG DVD Burner: $18.99
Linksys 802.11n Dual-Band Wi-Fi: $49.99
Asus USB Bluetooth + EDR Dongle: $9.99
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM: $99.99
Apple Wired Aluminum Keyboard: $49.99
Logitech G500 Gaming Mouse: $59.99
Logitech S120 2.0 Speaker System: $14.99
Dell U2711 27" 2560x1440 IPS LCD: $999
Microsoft LifeCam HD-3000: $34.99
Total: $2,002.85 + shipping & tax after MIRs

Obviously you can get components on sale and all, but it's still pretty surprising how close in price the iMac and custom system are with each other. Then add the fact that the iMac is an all-in-one computer which usually cost more. It uses some more expensive laptop components (like the video card). Plus the enclosure is made of aluminum and it's an Apple computer which are almost always more expensive. With all things considered it actually ends up being a pretty good buy. Now all-in-one computers are not for everyone. They are hard to upgrade, if the component in question is even upgradable. Plus as stated in this review, with the monitor being built into the computer and the monitor being worth so much, it's a shame it can't be kept for your next computer since monitors are not usually upgraded very often. It is technically possible to reuse the monitor but it's not very practical since it's has a computer inside it as well. Still, given what you get for the money as shown by my comparison, you can't really call these iMacs overpriced. Again I'm not recommending people buy an iMac instead of building a system, but I just wanted to show that the iMacs are not bad values and are not really even overpriced for what you get.
Those two machines are not even comparable. The Dell ISP is miles ahead in picture quality then this Apple.

You can't compare an HD6950 to a HD6950M.
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Slabbing ISP on a monitor does not instantly give better colour then every other monitor on the market. Based on their review, this ISP competes with LCD monitors in the 200-400 CAD range.
It doesn't automatically grant it far better colours, but it still has superior viewing angles and a 2560x1440 resolution. Try finding that in the 200-400 CAD range. Impossible to do that if you don't buy used.
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post #83 of 110
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It doesn't automatically grant it far better colours, but it still has superior viewing angles and a 2560x1440 resolution. Try finding that in the 200-400 CAD range. Impossible to do that if you don't buy used.
I'd give you that for resolution. But this ISP actually produces worse or comparable colours then a bunch of monitors in the 200-400 CAD range.

You use ISPs in most photo/video editing applications. You want colour accuracy more so then resolution and viewing angles; especially when these monitors in comparison give suitable viewing angles at a suitable working environment resolution. Heck, for this price, you can grab 3 of the cheaper monitors and be more productive.
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I'd give you that for resolution. But this ISP actually produces worse or comparable colours then a bunch of monitors in the 200-400 CAD range.

You use ISPs in most photo/video editing applications. You want colour accuracy more so then resolution and viewing angles; especially when these monitors in comparison give suitable viewing angles at a suitable working environment resolution. Heck, for this price, you can grab 3 of the cheaper monitors and be more productive.
More productive is a subjective statement. A single large resolution will make you more productive in a single application usage, when multiple applications open at once are more productive on multiple smaller monitors.

Oh, and it's IPS, not ISP. ISP stands for internet service provider.
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post #85 of 110
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Those two machines are not even comparable. The Dell ISP is miles ahead in picture quality then this Apple.

You can't compare an HD6950 to a HD6950M.
The Dell ISP is a bit better than the 27" ACD (when both calibrated). The difference between them is the choice of being LED-backlit and CCFL backlit, IIRC the former recognizes a smaller portion of the Adobe RGB, etc.

He's comparing an HD 6850, to a 6970M which is based off the 6850 but with slightly lower clocks (~12%).
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Those two machines are not even comparable. The Dell ISP is miles ahead in picture quality then this Apple.

You can't compare an HD6950 to a HD6950M.
I don't think you understood the point of my post. Again I'm not suggesting to buy the iMac instead of building your own system, nor am I saying that an all-in-one is necessarily an alternative to a desktop PC. Some were suggesting the iMac is overpriced. So with my post I wanted to show how that isn't the case. Both use high quality IPS panels (I assume by ISP you mean IPS). No offense but from my experience I wouldn't really call Dell products high quality (I'm talking about the product overall). This is with me owning a Dell Studio 15 laptop and Dell U3011. Upon arrive both products had problems and needed to be replaced under warranty (I actually have my third U3011 coming because the replacement also had issues). They even mention in the review the calibration was better than the 27" Cinema Display. I think the Cinema Display uses a very similar or the exact same IPS panel as the Dell U2711 (though don't quote me on that as I could be wrong).

You need to reread my post because neither was the HD6950 in the custom build nor was the HD6950M in the iMac. I put a HD6850 in the custom build and the $1,999 27" iMac has a HD6970M. Both have 960 shaders and 1GB of GDDR5. I picked the HD6850 because it's the closest desktop equivalent, performance wise, to the HD6970M.
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He didn't call the dell product high quality, he just said that it had better picture quality.
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Thanks Ben, for putting irrefutable numbers in peoples brains. Apple is the value leader in the all in one space.

Then, let us think about resale value, and space considerations, plus energy efficiency. The custom system also doesn't run 3 monitors does it? Or have thunderbolt.

In 2-3 years people will jump at buying the iMac used in great conditon. You will likely have to separate the custom system and not get as much $ for it.

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Originally Posted by Ben the OCer View Post
I'm not saying buy an iMac instead of a custom built PC, but let's just see how much it would cost to build a similar system to the top end $1999 27" iMac:

Apple iMac 27" 3.1GHz Specifications
Intel i5 2400 3.1GHz
4GB DDR3-1333
HD6970M 1GB (960SPs)
1TB 7200RPM HDD
Slot Load DVD Burner
802.11n Wi-Fi
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR
Mac OS X 10.6.7
Apple Wireless Keyboard
Apple Magic Mouse
27" 2560x1440 IPS LCD
FaceTime HD WebCam
Total: $1,999 free shipping + tax

Custom Built PC Specifications
Intel i5 2400 3.1GHz: $189.99
Gigabyte Z68 LGA1155 Mobo: $104.99
G.Skill Ripjaw 4GB DDR3-1600: $49.99
MSI HD6850 1GB (960SPs): $149.99
WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD: $59.99
Antec Eco 520W PSU: $59.99
Cooler Master HAF 912: $49.99
LG DVD Burner: $18.99
Linksys 802.11n Dual-Band Wi-Fi: $49.99
Asus USB Bluetooth + EDR Dongle: $9.99
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM: $99.99
Apple Wired Aluminum Keyboard: $49.99
Logitech G500 Gaming Mouse: $59.99
Logitech S120 2.0 Speaker System: $14.99
Dell U2711 27" 2560x1440 IPS LCD: $999
Microsoft LifeCam HD-3000: $34.99
Total: $2,002.85 + shipping & tax after MIRs

Obviously you can get components on sale and all, but it's still pretty surprising how close in price the iMac and custom system are with each other. Then add the fact that the iMac is an all-in-one computer which usually cost more. It uses some more expensive laptop components (like the video card). Plus the enclosure is made of aluminum and it's an Apple computer which are almost always more expensive. With all things considered it actually ends up being a pretty good buy. Now all-in-one computers are not for everyone. They are hard to upgrade, if the component in question is even upgradable. Plus as stated in this review, with the monitor being built into the computer and the monitor being worth so much, it's a shame it can't be kept for your next computer since monitors are not usually upgraded very often. It is technically possible to reuse the monitor but it's not very practical since it's has a computer inside it as well. Still, given what you get for the money as shown by my comparison, you can't really call these iMacs overpriced. Again I'm not recommending people buy an iMac instead of building a system, but I just wanted to show that the iMacs are not bad values and are not really even overpriced for what you get.
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The custom system also doesn't run 3 monitors does it? Or have thunderbolt.
A) The custom system most certainly does. And the custom system could probably drive up to 6 monitors.

B) No hardware exists that supports Thunderbolt as of now. Besides, there's nothing that suffers from a bandwidth shortage from USB3 anyway.
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post #90 of 110
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He didn't call the dell product high quality, he just said that it had better picture quality.
That is true, I should have read his post closer. I still don't see them being that different in picture quality since they both use high quality IPS panels.

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Thanks Ben, for putting irrefutable numbers in peoples brains. Apple is the value leader in the all in one space.

Then, let us think about resale value, and space considerations, plus energy efficiency. The custom system also doesn't run 3 monitors does it? Or have thunderbolt.

In 2-3 years people will jump at buying the iMac used in great conditon. You will likely have to separate the custom system and not get as much $ for it.
Your welcome, glad I could help. Actually the custom build can run three monitors. Most HD5000 and HD6000 series cards can.
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