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@ben: Backlighting and the glossy panel in the mac should make a bit of differnce, but not as much as these guys are saying. Besides, glossy panel should be an upside unless you have numerous lighht sources in the PC room.
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A) The custom system most certainly does. And the custom system could probably drive up to 6 monitors.

B) No hardware exists that supports Thunderbolt as of now. Besides, there's nothing that suffers from a bandwidth shortage from USB3 anyway.
Well I'm running a gtx470, its limited to 2 total monitors, so that's why I asked.

Thunderbolt has value now, and more in the future. It's faster than usb3, daisychainable and works with Displayport 30" monitors, as of now.

I would also include the magic trackpad, that os x is the best unix on the desktop and the lack of call backs and other microsoft verification processes to be 3 checks in the plus column for OS X. I believe you should upgrade Win 7 past personal to acknowledge the server and professional software features thats closer to snow leopard.

http://www.apple.com/ilife/

This bundle happens to be included. iPhoto, iMovie, and GarageBand. iweb and iDvd too. I happen to think iPhoto is great. Win7 is an great improvement for MS. Wmp and windows movie maker is such trash tho, imo.
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Originally Posted by Heavy MG View Post
What average user needs a 2560x1440 IPS screen? Most people who use macs are just a average user.
The average person might not need a high res IPS screen (Many enthusiasts don't need a lot of their stuff either), but they are surely able to appreciate one.

Also, that statement of yours doesn't help your "overpriced" argument.
Edited by sLowEnd - 5/31/11 at 10:07am
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Well I'm running a gtx470, its limited to 2 total monitors, so that's why I asked.

Thunderbolt has value now, and more in the future. It's faster than usb3, daisychainable and works with Displayport 30" monitors, as of now.

I would also include the magic trackpad, that os x is the best unix on the desktop and the lack of call backs and other microsoft verification processes to be 3 checks in the plus column for OS X. I believe you should upgrade Win 7 past personal to acknowledge the server and professional software features thats closer to snow leopard.

http://www.apple.com/ilife/

This bundle happens to be included. iPhoto, iMovie, and GarageBand. iweb and iDvd too. I happen to think iPhoto is great. Win7 is an great improvement for MS. Wmp and windows movie maker is such trash tho, imo.
Pfffft.

I used Tiger and Leopard on an UnderPoweredBookG4 for 3 years. I use Arch when I'm not in W7. OSX is the most dumbed down *nix there is...with the worst file manager I've ever had to put up with on any operating system. I'll take W7 any day of the week over OSX.

So what if thunderbolt is faster? There's no hardware for the visible future that needs it....and little hardware supports it. BTW FYI DisplayPort has twice the bandwidth of Thunderbolt as of today.

I'd take other alternatives to the Apple iLife software suite any day of the week.
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Pfffft.

I used Tiger and Leopard on an UnderPoweredBookG4 for 3 years. I use Arch when I'm not in W7. OSX is the most dumbed down *nix there is...with the worst file manager I've ever had to put up with on any operating system. I'll take W7 any day of the week over OSX.

So what if thunderbolt is faster? There's no hardware for the visible future that needs it....and little hardware supports it. BTW FYI DisplayPort has twice the bandwidth of Thunderbolt as of today.

I'd take other alternatives to the Apple iLife software suite any day of the week.
Without getting into a religious war.. OSX is a POSIX certified unix. If you can't run your file manager of choice on it then you don't know very much unix do you?

Thunderbolt is a superset of displayport.

iLife comes with the apple computer and nothing equivalent comes with the custom computer.

Lets here about the free alternatives to iphoto, imovie and garageband.
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So what if thunderbolt is faster? There's no hardware for the visible future that needs it....and little hardware supports it.
Just like the USB3 a while ago, but there will be more hardware support for it since it is the future of file transfer.
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Originally Posted by Ben the OCer View Post
I'm not saying buy an iMac instead of a custom built PC, but let's just see how much it would cost to build a similar system to the top end $1999 27" iMac:

Apple iMac 27" 3.1GHz Specifications
Intel i5 2400 3.1GHz
4GB DDR3-1333
HD6970M 1GB (960SPs)
1TB 7200RPM HDD
Slot Load DVD Burner
802.11n Wi-Fi
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR
Mac OS X 10.6.7
Apple Wireless Keyboard
Apple Magic Mouse
27" 2560x1440 IPS LCD
FaceTime HD WebCam
Total: $1,999 free shipping + tax

Custom Built PC Specifications
Intel i5 2400 3.1GHz: $189.99
Gigabyte Z68 LGA1155 Mobo: $104.99
G.Skill Ripjaw 4GB DDR3-1600: $49.99
MSI HD6850 1GB (960SPs): $149.99
WD Blue 1TB 7200RPM HDD: $59.99
Antec Eco 520W PSU: $59.99
Cooler Master HAF 912: $49.99
LG DVD Burner: $18.99
Linksys 802.11n Dual-Band Wi-Fi: $49.99
Asus USB Bluetooth + EDR Dongle: $9.99
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM: $99.99
Apple Wired Aluminum Keyboard: $49.99
Logitech G500 Gaming Mouse: $59.99
Logitech S120 2.0 Speaker System: $14.99
Dell U2711 27" 2560x1440 IPS LCD: $999
Microsoft LifeCam HD-3000: $34.99
Total: $2,002.85 + shipping & tax after MIRs

Obviously you can get components on sale and all, but it's still pretty surprising how close in price the iMac and custom system are with each other. Then add the fact that the iMac is an all-in-one computer which usually cost more. It uses some more expensive laptop components (like the video card). Plus the enclosure is made of aluminum and it's an Apple computer which are almost always more expensive. With all things considered it actually ends up being a pretty good buy. Now all-in-one computers are not for everyone. They are hard to upgrade, if the component in question is even upgradable. Plus as stated in this review, with the monitor being built into the computer and the monitor being worth so much, it's a shame it can't be kept for your next computer since monitors are not usually upgraded very often. It is technically possible to reuse the monitor but it's not very practical since it's has a computer inside it as well. Still, given what you get for the money as shown by my comparison, you can't really call these iMacs overpriced. Again I'm not recommending people buy an iMac instead of building a system, but I just wanted to show that the iMacs are not bad values and are not really even overpriced for what you get.
with some crafty shopping you can get that Dell monitor down to 746.90 CAD
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not to mention that the custom rig is infinitely better value do to being able to upgrade it piecemeal.
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post #98 of 110
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with some crafty shopping you can get that Dell monitor down to 746.90 CAD
source

not to mention that the custom rig is infinitely better value do to being able to upgrade it piecemeal.
That's why I said you can get components on sale which is a benefit of building your own. Again I'm not saying to get the iMac instead of a custom built system. For an all-in-one system, the iMac is not a bad price.
Edited by Ben the OCer - 5/31/11 at 3:12pm
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That's why I said you can get components on sale which is a benefit of building your own. Where did I say the iMac was a better value? I didn't, and again I'm not saying to get the iMac instead of a custom built system (as I already said). For an all-in-one system, the iMac is not a bad price.
my earlier post was meant to be supportive of you, not antagonistic towards you, sorry for any misunderstanding
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my earlier post was meant to be supportive of you, not antagonistic towards you, sorry for any misunderstanding
OK, I see, sorry about that. Somebody else said something about the monitor and other components being able to be had on sale for cheaper. In other words then they could be had cheaper than the iMac and so then they are saying it's a bad value. So I thought you were doing something similar to that. Well then, thanks for the support.
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